What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

It's simple enough. Withhold citizenship under very tight requirements, emphasis residency, and a range of other mid-long term visas... and restrict benefits/rights dependent on those visa classes.

Make it desirable to be a citizen, and something that they have to work towards over time.

Which is the same in pretty much every country around the world. Only in Western nations is this expectation for foreigners to be treated the same as the native population, and gain the same benefits as them. Nobody bats an eyelid when you find out that natives have more benefits in Japan or Korea than the foreigner groups, even after they marry a native.

Speaking of integration...I would love to wear a GoPro on my school run, up to the school gates to see parents. Absolutely no effort being made to make friends or be in any way friendly to the majority of people outside of their countries of origin. Don't want to speak any English or even giving the universal way of saying Hello...a smile...nope not a hope...I'm guessing 85% are like this.

I'm sorry but my hard earned taxes sponsor your very existence so the least you could do is smile back. While you're at it...teach your children some basic manners and decorum.

I'm not saying everyone is like this but too high of a majority are, so it's shocking!

Actually, I'd say this is exactly why multiculturalism has failed so badly in Western nations. That the natives don't have any right to set the requirements on foreign groups settling in their countries. The expectation that foreign groups should be able to retain their own cultural standards/values/expectations, even when they are polar opposites of the host nation. Any reasonable evaluation of such a case would raise the expectation of a clash of cultures over time, or worse yet, that the foreign cultures would seek to dominate as their populations increase, and so too, their influence over regional issues.

Because in reality that's what cultures do. I wonder whether the people who push multiculturalism so hard, ever spend the time to look at history around the world, where cultures are pushed together within confined spaces, or where a infusion of drastically different cultural population occurs. It's very rare that such an experience happens without violence, or a host of negatives occurring over the next few generations, ultimately leading to... violence.

And yet, it's going to be different for Western nations. Why? no reason. People tend to look at the last 4-5 decades as if they're counted as centuries. As if this experiment of many foreign cultures is something that has happened for a long time, with the consequences known to us all.. but that's not the case. As you know (the post is more for general reading than really directed at you), 50-60 years ago, Europe was predominately a White continent, and the major infusions of foreign culture is a relatively recent happening. Its so early in the overall scheme of things.. and yet, the negatives are already appearing across Europe.

This expectation that foreign cultures should be able to establish themselves in Western nations is one of the primary reasons that western culture itself is tearing itself apart. Why we've (westerners) become so weak internationally.. so divided. It's such a shame, because as someone who has lived abroad as a minority (white person), it is wonderful to be able to say you're from Europe. It opens so many doors that aren't available to those from Africa, Asia, or S.America. And.. yet.. I suspect the prosperity of western nations will be gone in a few decades because we've allowed so many divisions to become established.

Culture and assimilation should be something that we shouldn't need to worry about. People came to western nations because we were more prosperous, stable, safer, etc.. People wanted to embrace the western way of life. My own Chinese students have said as much. They wanted to be westerners.. and whenever they returned to China, it was because they were disappointed that western nations were not the way the (western) propaganda suggested it to be. Our sense of freedom wasn't as "pure" as in the movies or books. Our individuality was rather heavily pushed towards collectivism, or conformity.. especially over the last two decades. Our.. bla bla bla. We're simply not what we once were.. and there's no pride in being western anymore. Which is disappointing. So.. I guess that's why there's so little interest in assimilation of foreign cultures, or any real attempts at integration beyond the soundbites.. because we don't really know what western culture should be anymore. What it is that we want it to be. (apart from the utopian dreamers so out of touch with reality, that is)

No

Yes

For all those lamenting the apparent lack of integration, what does that look like to each of you?

Like what does a new arrival have to do to be considered as "integrated"?

Speak fluent Irish? Change to Catholic religion? What is your list of things that has to be completed for someone to be "integrated".

I'm asking because the term "integration" keeps getting bandied about which means about as much as "make America great again" or "Brexit means Brexit".

TBH I'm with DaCor on this one. What is integration, and how do we measure the success of it? I've asked this a few times on the thread, and haven't really gotten a decent answer. Honestly, it's the reason I tend to push assimilation as the answer to permanent settlement of foreign groups here, and temp visas for everyone else..., as integration just seems an empty phrase.

Although, unlike DaCor, I appreciate that the term integration came from the EU, and our politicians, when multiculturalism was being pushed so hard in the past. Alas, as usual, they left it a very vague destination or determination of what foreign groups do in Western nations.

To clarify, the Brexit /Trump reference was to illustrate terms that have been used a lot but mean both nothing to anyone but also everything to others i.e. Deliberately vague and non-specific.

Not sure why mentioning the Irish language or the dominant religion irked you.

Exactly.

Speaking the language fluently after 1 year is not realistic. Even full immersion, language school and only communicating through English would still only see someone 75-85% proficient. Fluency takes years

Desert clothes 🤦‍♂️

All Ireland winners, couldn't tell you that myself