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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You seem to have a real dislike for the English.........because they voted for Brexit they must be punished?


    And if the UK is turned into a sh*thole that can only be bad for Ireland to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,266 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Absolutely…

    booked on flight BA118 Dublin - London Heathrow - Kinshasa (or wherever they are from)

    the onus should be on them to present themselves ready to leave 4 hours before plane departure, packed, ready etc…with necessary documents.

    GNIB escort them from their place of living to the airport and remain until the door of the aircraft is closed…



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    You keep doing that thing of assuming what I’m thinking, and at this rate I’m wondering should I bother when you appear to have all your answers already. I dislike those English people who generally carry on like they’ve disappeared up their own holes, and it is a particularly English trait given their history of colonisation of other countries, and their attempts to subjugate Ireland into the United Kingdom -


    Historically, from 1801, following the Acts of Union, until 1922 the whole island of Ireland was a country within the UK. Ireland was split into two separate jurisdictions in 1921: Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland. Southern Ireland became the Irish Free State and left the United Kingdom in 1922, left the Commonwealth of Nations in 1949 and is now known as the Republic of Ireland or simply Ireland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom


    They didn’t do the people of Ireland any favours. They’d be doing everyone a favour by keeping themselves to themselves. It’s what most people do anyway, except those people who imagine they are somehow superior to everyone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So the law being the law when in Rome you will be happy with the Rules in relation to homosexuality in SA ? yes or no will be fine. 🤔



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    They will be told that this will help towards their claim to stay . I can see how it will be an incentive to participate .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭lmao10


    People on the left care about crime committed by everyone. People on the far right only care about crimes committed by non white people. If a white person is a paedophile, rapist, murderer etc you don't hear a peep out of them. As soon as a non-white person commits any kind of crime at all you see them up in arms. Pretty sick mentality in my opinion but there you go. They keep proving it day after day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't agree with the laws in some places (e.g. gun laws in America) and strongly agree with laws in other places (e.g. euthanasia laws in some European countries). Not sure what that to do with anything though as my liking/disliking of a law in another country has little bearing on, well, anything really.

    By all means, feel free to twist the above at your leisure



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    AKA let's fire even more taxpayer's money at Irish NGOs.

    And all that stuff sounds lovely at NGO meetings and goes over great in the media. Slight problem being that it's been and being tried in every single other "multicultural" nation in Europe, sometimes for decades and yet not a single one shows any difference in the trends that emerge and too often deepen with time and the generations.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    If a white person is a paedophile, rapist, murderer etc you don't hear a peep out of them.


    Well, that’s not quite true - you’ll hear plenty out of them then too, questioning why the victim didn’t take any personal responsibility for someone else’s actions and pointing out how it’s somehow the left’s fault, again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    The mess we're in now and going to get worse with people like you living in denial.

    Or perhaps you have skin in the game. Who knows.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I asked, as you were asked a Question on SA. Seeing great pains not to answer the Question I asked. I did not ask about America. 🤨 I have lived in the ME not obeying the local laws and local officials can lead you to fall down the stairs in the station.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are those trends surprising given the disgustingly xenophobic attitudes among some natives, local samples of which are clearly on display within this and other threads on this forum.

    Kinda hard to integrate with into a society that hates you regardless of your circumstances, nationality, colour or creed, just because you're "different".

    Hatred breeds hatred, simple as

    If you treat someone with anger, malice, or hatred, it will typically cause them to behave in a similar way to yourself or to others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Just curious. When you were a migrant did you get everything handed to you free and accommodation supplied.

    I know I didn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s not so much that anyone who doesn’t share your perspective is living in denial, it’s the fact that very few people appear to be convinced that we are in a mess, or that things are inevitably going to get worse.

    I mean, it’s not just a thing where I hope they don’t, one actually has to work towards ensuring that they don’t, and to that end, yes, I, like everyone else, have skin in the game, because I want my son to be as proud of his country as I am, and I don’t want him growing up in a country where people aren’t made to feel welcome, or made to feel like they don’t belong here as much as he does, or I do.

    It’s for that reason, and many more, that I have no interest whatsoever in importing, encouraging, or supporting, the sort of divisive political rhetoric which is endemic in other countries. That sort of divisive shyte doesn’t belong in Ireland, it’s just not who we are as a nation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,266 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    You can be proud of your country but of the realisation that not everyone who wants to come and live here, for a better life or whatever reason should be of the ability to do so.

    to express that it is divisive rhetoric, that’s a disingenuous statement on your behalf. People are entitled to have concerns and views without that hokey accusation.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Now this is the part you don't seem to get: I agree with you on this. Xenophobia is a major issue, oh and not just with the natives either. Where we differ is you think it's somehow fixable with education and laws etc as we're cultural blank slates and if we just find the right way to go about it.... Whereas I consider xenophobia, from avoidance, patronisation, all the way up to naked racism as very much a strong trend in basic human nature. My position is by many leagues the more demonstrable and provable one across time and culture. It doesn't matter what time or place or culture you care to mention it has always been present. There is always a "Them" and there is always an "Us", even when to outsiders the two groups appear to be near identical. The less alike they appear to be or appear to act the greater these societal divisions. Many times I have asked for examples where these trends don't play out and every time I've been met with silence, because there isn't one.

    Now one can look at other cultural and social norms that vary over time and place and can give examples where near polar opposites were in play. EG acceptance of homosexuality, gender equality, even the flashpoint de jour Transgenderism. However basic xenophobia and this "Them" versus "Us"? Nope.

    It's pretty much the primary reason why I consider "multiculturalism", especially of the modern Western sort to be a sociopolitical pipedream, far more based on hope and faith than the hard realities and doomed to repeat the exact same trends as it always has.

    Xenophobia is not the only issue of course as there are quite a few examples of diasporas who suffer from the same native xenophobic attitudes, yet have very different average outcomes. EG on average the Sikh disapora do better than the Hindu, who in turn do better than the Muslim, yet to the racists they're all "Bloody Pakis". East Asian diasporas do notably better than African disaporas and even do better than the natives. These are patterns repeated everywhere one looks and it's not as if East Asians aren't victims of xenophobia, exclusion and racism. The Jewish diaspora have been hounded and excluded for over a millennia by both Christian Europe and the Muslim Middle East, to the degree of actual planned and executed attempted genocides(and not just in Germany) and yet the same Jewish diaspora do better on average than other diasporas and the natives.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    You can be proud of your country but of the realisation that not everyone who wants to come and live here, for a better life or whatever reason should be of the ability to do so.


    Just so I’m not misunderstanding you - are you saying that people who come here shouldn’t be able to make a better life for themselves? What purpose does that serve? People who come here should be encouraged to make a positive contribution to society, not prevented from doing so. I don’t see the logic in preventing anyone who is willing to, from making a positive contribution to society.


    to express that it is divisive rhetoric, that’s a disingenuous statement on your behalf. People are entitled to have concerns and views without that hokey accusation.

    That’s not what I was referring to as divisive rhetoric. The divisive rhetoric I’m referring to is the attempt to portray [insert group here] as a threat to anyone, expressed as ‘concerns and views’. The sort of person I’d have in mind that I’d be referring to would be the Tommy Robinson types, or the Boris Johnson types who are a bit cleverer than Tommy in the way they articulate their… ‘concerns’.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    This multiculturalism harmony you're talking about could and should of happened.

    But what happened was an open door policy was adopted. Migrants with no background checks were let in. People claimed asylum from countries that had no unrest. People were found to be lying about applications, they were allowed to appeal numerous times and finally get to stay. Migrants committing crimes and it comes to light of their previous rapes, assault whatever. The list goes on.

    Do you know any other country where this multicultural heaven is working.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I don’t ever remember suggesting any multicultural harmony, those are your words, not mine.

    As for what happened, well Ireland doesn’t have an open door policy for a start, and the rest of it I’m not going to bother with because quite frankly, I’m not interested in entertaining it.

    I don’t expect multicultural harmony in any case as I’m acutely aware of the fact that it isn’t possible, not even between Irish people themselves, let alone Irish people and immigrants. I’d sooner focus on commonalities than inventing existential crises that do nothing but promote fear and anxiety in people who are susceptible to that sort of rhetoric.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Ireland does have an open door policy compared to most other countries.

    As for the rest,no point you trying to entertain it because its all true.

    See you didn't insert any countries we could take an example from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    What about people on the far left and those on the right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Ireland does have an open door policy compared to most other countries. 

    Ireland doesn’t have an open door policy. Even comparing our immigration policies to most other countries, we have similar immigration policies as most other countries.


    As for the rest,no point you trying to entertain it because its all true.


    There’s no point in entertaining it, because like I said - I just don’t have any interest in entertaining it. Why should I? I dunno ‘bout you but it’s not something I’d care to spend any great deal of time on as no good can possibly come of it IMO.


    See you didn't insert any countries we could take an example from.

    I didn’t, because I never argued a multicultural harmony could possibly exist in the first place. But let’s take one recent example, from our own country. You reckon either of us have anything in common with this individual?

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058256188/former-rte-journalist-who-sexually-assaulted-sleeping-woman-jailed-for-15-months#latest

    Because I sure as hell don’t, and I don’t think either of us would appreciate any association being made or implied either, on any basis.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Galway Senator looks for things to be made easier to bring non-EU citizens here to work as businesses are struggling to get staff forcing them to close for days/cut opening hours/close tables/reduce capacity

    The senator raised the matter in the Seanad when he asked that the ‘red tape’ associated with the visa process for non-EU citizens who want to work in this country be streamlined.

    “From speaking to publicans, I know the challenges the staff shortages are causing during this crisis. Simplifying the EU process for non-EU citizens is something that could have a real impact in terms of tackling the issue.”




  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Mr. Karate II


    Definitely. That or ask for their address and they'll drop the deportee off at their place later. Making them assume responsibility for them. They'll shut the hell up and quit their grand standing very quickly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Yes, look at the media cover ups of Epstein, Harris, Glitter, Saville, Windsor, Maxwell. Who? Never heard of them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Happy? No. Would I challenge them? Also no.


    I would respect their beliefs (while also not actually "respecting" them) and keep my mouth shut. It's not my place to move to Saudi Arabia and start displaying rainbow flags everywhere. Even though I believe in equality, I also believe I would waive my right to dictating my opinions onto a society I just arrived in.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The whole point of the right's stance on illegal immigration is to PREVENT an increase in violent crime. We have enough of that without increasing our probability of more. It's like how people warned about an increase in terrorism a few years ago. Then when terrorism increased, we were accused of enjoying the vindication. You've got it all backwards.

    I think people on the right see the importation of young men from more violent places and despair at the naivety of those on the left.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I ask for nothing and got nothing. In fact, being lucky enough to work for a living, I got involved in volunteering, helping others less fortunate than me from. Nothing too flash, just a little bit.


    I can't understand the mentality of those that want to take but give nothing back in return. It's completely alien to me.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For Lmao, anyone who expresses such concerns must be of the "right".. regardless of whether those people would consider themselves to be supportive of the right.

    Anyone with a wee bit of reasonable thinking would have concerns about immigration, and those who invariably arrive in western nations, because of the very real impact they have. France and Sweden being prime examples of the negatives involved... but Lmao and others will seek to dismiss those concerns as being of the right because it doesn't mesh with their utopian multicultural dream of frolicking bunny rabbits.



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