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What is the the root of this behaviour..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I think its usually people with really low self esteem who act like this, they fear the person they are with will leave them because why would they stay with them? seeing as they are such a loser and know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭chosen1


    My guess is that he simply is a complete and utter C*nt.

    There is too much of looking to give people like this an excuse, whether it's mental illness or good/bad upbringing and of course he managed to escape the headline sentence that so often seems to happen in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Makes you wonder why she stayed/ continuously returned..I never get this.

    ”He also said the man had mental health issues, including depression and anxiety”. I can’t believe this is the best the defense could come up with. They must have known that nobody would buy this.

    And why can the defendant not be named?

    So many questions..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,806 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    Makes you wonder why she stayed/ continuously returned...I never get this.

    She said she could never understand why women tolerated it either...until she found herself in that situation. By then, he had broken her down.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wasn't diagnosed with a severe mental illness that could cause psychosis, wasn't diagnosed with a personality disorder like psychopathy/sociopathy/NPD (none of which would excuse anything but would help explain) therefore seems to be just an appalling person.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Sentenced to 3 years and 3 months, surely that level of prolonged abuse warrants a longer sentence?

    Depression and anxiety don't cause that type of behaviour, he's just a twisted bully. I'm sure his fellow inmates will welcome him with open arms, being an ex guard ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    The sentence seems extremely lenient. Oh wait, the judge was Martin Nolan - that explains it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That sentence is pitiful for such crazed violence and intimidation. And will make people think he got a lenient penalty because of working in that same system for 20 years and having friends in high places.

    Feck all remorse from him too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Yep, begs the question.........who judges the judges.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭Comer1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,637 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    unfortunately they are. Any thread where the perpetrator is a man and the victim is a woman you can find that poster downplaying what happened and/or blaming the woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,226 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    That poster is also a self-confessed serial manipulator and controller himself. Utterly unsurprising that they're blaming the victim and defending the perpetrator.

    Fwiw, the maximum sentence the judge could have imposed was 5 years. He took into account the guilty plea and the fact that prison can be "difficult" for former Gardai. My heart bleeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,637 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I remember them on a thread not so long ago about a woman that was raped by bouncers while she was blind drunk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    People generally don't understand what our legal system is based on. Due to the punishment nature of imprisonment by the British when we formed our own judicial system it is meant to be based on possibility of repeating the offense and not punishment. Hence a person can admit they weren't looking at the road then drove over a cyclist killing them gets no prison time at all.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    5 years would still be very lenient for this. Physical and psychological abuse, harassment, theft (including her cancer medication and hospital bag), abusing his power as a Garda etc., I hope prison is very tough for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    this….

    did the wrong thing, what influenced it is neither here not there, he had choices and chose wrong.

    Post edited by Strumms on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    A desire for power and control same reason he became a guard so he could exercise power and control over others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    I wonder what else he got up to in his job as a Garda, whose word alone is usually trusted in a court of law.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭Comer1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    There is nothing defendable about his behaviour; and I actually think he sounds pretty out of control and deserves a prison sentence. It doesn’t change the fact that I do not understand why people decide to stay or even return to relationships like this.

    I also think he will be further assessed in prison because of the clearly sadistic elements of some of his behaviour.

    At least he pled guilty though so that’s one thing



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Low self-esteem and a job with power over people is a lethal combination, it's a guess but I would think he has aspects of some sort of personality disorder everything is black and white combined with intense jealously of others.

    I bet some of his colleagues were superficially friendly with him but wary of him as well and some avoided him.

    That sort of behavior does not occur in isolation some of his colleagues must have known what he was like. The Garda who knowling put the woman through to him when she asked to speak to the superintendent of the station should be disciplined including losing his job.

    When he was barred from the hospital did the hospital get in touch with his superiors and tell them what was happening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, seems to be contrarian for the sake of it a lot. Now sometimes it's good to see people not kneejerk react on emotive matters, but just trying to look edgy is a different story.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Best friends with a minor celeb someone he aspires to be or that appears to have all the things he wants that fits, at some deep level id say he was intensely jealous of his friend but the friend would never know.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Back then he looked much older than 33.

    42 now? Looks 60!



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If 5 years is the max sentence, then it’s a joke of a penalty for such a crime but in fairness a guilty plea does need to be acknowledged in terms of a somewhat reduced sentence but more to the point, the penalty is way too low in the first instance.

    Secondly, did anyone listen to the account on RTÉ last night? The Gardai themselves need to be investigated around the handling of this case - there were big failings in terms of the perpetrator being able to manipulate his colleagues and other state services - that’s not good enough and I’m sure added greatly to the grief and suffering of the poor victim



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Yes, his abuse of Garda power and how he got away with it is a huge issue. Others were obviously involved, he was barred from a hospital FFS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    If the maximum is 5 years then it seems appropriate to reduce a fair portion for pleading guilty, as that saves the victim an enormous amount of stress, so 3 and a half seems appropriate. If there is any counterargument then surely it can only be based around the maximum sentence being 5 years, and not the applied sentence.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,170 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You'd expect that sentences should definitely be more for abusing a position of authority. Maybe they were in this case. Doesn't seem like a lot though.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,437 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Surely abusing his position as a gard is a criminal offence in its own right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Once someone gets into a relationship with someone who engages in coercive control and other abuse, it can be extremely difficult for them to extricate themselves. It is vital not to get involved with such an abuser in the first place.

    I have little sympathy for women who get involved with known violent thugs who then abuse them (e.g the Adrian Crevin Mackin and Pearse McCauley cases) however the guy in this case was a "respectable" Garda. If there were red flags about him, chances are people who knew him kept their mouths shut.

    We know from the Maurice McCabe case that there is an Omerta in AGS and it exists in other police forces too. People are rightly wary about going to the police to complain about an officer. The incident with the phone call being transferred is appalling.

    What was the woman in this case to do? Get a few lads together to give him (a serving Garda) a hiding?

    The only way he will be properly held to account for his actions is if a relative of the woman has nothing to lose/has already reached rock bottom and lies in wait for him for when he gets out from his absurdly short sentence.



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  • Posts: 0 Salma Silly Boar


    I think a person who behaves like this, to begin with, has had some early very negative influence in life, some authority figure that was abusive. Perhaps a cruel mother who sparked off a deep hatred of women, or a father figure who abused a woman who wasn’t able to show care for the child. Now there are plenty of people who had terrible childhoods who don’t take it out on others later in life, but I reckon it is a continuously growing hatred stemming from childhood that is behind it. Combination of early circumstances and maybe lack of the experience of being loved leading to ever growing hatred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe there is no explanation some people are just bad.

    The reason he looks older than his years in both pictures, is severe anxiety and stress have physical effects on people.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Despicable individual, and it shows that there are still a lot of rotten apples in the Gardai that Commissioner Drew Harris has been trying to purge since he took over.

    The sentence is definitely too lenient given his powers as a Garda and how he abused these to inflict maximum control and misery on that poor woman. He should have been made an example of to warn other Gardai abusing their powers. He does face a very difficult time in prison however.

    As for how he looks, I don’t like to pass remarks on people’s appearances but often I find that when people look a good bit older than their years, as he certainly does, it’s often the result of a combination of genes, bad diet, smoking, alcohol abuse and/or other drugs.

    Post edited by JupiterKid on


  • Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are more than likely right about the early negative influence. I would consider myself a very strong person having survived the death of of a child from cancer. However 10 years ago I was in a relationship with someone who was emotionally abusive and coercive. It starts with very small things like why you forgot to buy something on the shopping list, to why you left the car door open ......to why you looked at someone else. Its insidious and creeps up on you. You begin to blame yourself. If you question anything its quickly put back on you and you are made feel like dirt. You try to make the peace each and every time. Everyone around can see what's happening but you don't as its usually in the first flush of love stage that the changes start.

    This man had been sexually abused as a child. I tried to fix him through love but its on a different scale of damage. The whole town he was from thought he was a great guy but he was a street angel/ house devil. He went to a counsellor and ended up having an sex with her. I finally got in the car one day and drove away and never came back. Luckily I was strong enough. These abusers can only help themselves, nobody else can fix them. His ex wife had gone through hell l later found out too.


    Paul Moody looks evil. There will be no remorse with a man like him. He blamed that poor woman for everything and never once looked at himself. He deserves to get the exact same abuse in jail that he dished out to her. And worse. I only hope this lady recovers and survives. I can't imagine dealing with Stage 4 cancer on top of being with someone like him. That beggars belief.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


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  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let’s hope more charges follow but it remains that there were serious failings to the victim in this case - if Gardai are accused of a crime by someone close to them , there needs to be absolute transparency and in this case according to RTÉ, there wasn’t and the prick of a former Garda manipulated the system- rot in hell you pri1ck and enjoy solitary - ha ha ha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Yeah I understand how this works in theory, but I genuinely cannot fathom how someone keeps returning to this life, particularly if they even have children involved.

    I doubt he will have a very enjoyable stay in prison though.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So how much more is left on the scale of abuse under this legislation, after this pr1ck in essence ,demonstrated a capability and willingness of what can only be described as attempted death of a cancer patient, by taking away their medication, knowing that person couldn’t pay for more?

    What is left in terms of abuse of a woman or partner in order for the sentence to have progressed to the maximum sentence even taking into account a guilty plea?

    It’s a fcking insane sentence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As sweetmaggie says, it's the result of a type of grooming: where the abuser slowly and insidiously chips away at the abused, to the point where they believe they have nobody else, that nobody else would want them, that they cannot possibly survive without their abuser - they have come to depend on them because this is what the abuser gas-lights them into thinking. They are also ashamed, and don't want people on the "outside" knowing. You don't even need to have been as badly abused as that for this kind of stuff to get into your head, let alone be on the receiving end of the level of abuse this scumbag inflicted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Yes believe me, I know all of this, but it still fascinates me that this works on people. Particularly once they left, and after the abuse has become a public spectacle (hospital in this case). People are strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Maybe she thought if she left him, he would kill her? stop blaming the victim, these sentences need to be increased big time, pitiful sentence for what that piece of dirt did to that woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I didn’t blame her. I just said that I can’t understand it (in general).

    Post edited by Jequ0n on


  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You alluded to it and you know you did and you’ve been caught out and your posts in this thread is making many posters puke



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    It is funny how the left media like the BBC/Stacey Dooley make documentaries about the big scary incels. I think they need to look at who the real dangerous men are in society, normie sex having men not incels.

    I think women pick very dodgy men as boyfriends, men with sleeve tattoos for example with aggressive high testosterone personalities. I am not saying that they deserve the treatment but they do have to take some of the blame for making the choice of those partners.

    Just think back to the bullies at school, all them boys had girlfriends and now wives, why do women date obviously bad men? It is a question for the ages.

    I bet men like that get out of prison and still manage to find new girlfriends whilst harmless incels suffer and get abused by the left media.



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