red clover

I had maize in same fields for 3 years …after maize last October ploughed and drilled winter wheat following day …harvested last week disced and redstart going in next Thursday followed by maize again next April .was told 5 bags of 18s needed for redstart ….think it’s total overkill ….2 bags of 10 10 20

and will proably top up with 25 units liquid n end august …..bound to be decent shot of residual n in ground after wheat ….the wheat I drilled last October got no fertiliser till mid march and was lovely healthy green right thru winter

U may sit down there dwag 🤣. 150 n 25 p 75 k ……a local tillage farmer did all fertiliser and spraying …got a weed spray …growth regulator and 3 fungicides ,was wholecroped last week and v happy with return

In my defence I’m no tillage farmer that’s why I contracted fertiliser and spray out ….I’m told 160/170 n is standard for w wheat here

if honest I was surprised when told the fertiliser requirement especially when looking at how green and healthy the crop was between. Sowing and first fertiliser in mid march

On the fungicides we used Just one product …

in my defence I’m cutting right back on what I was told redstart needs v what I’m actually putting out

Is it roughly a day in August is worth a week in September and the whole month of October or thereabouts for establishment here?

Too late for kale/rape so redstart only real option …weanlings will graze ….and fertilise and condition soil over winter ….rye was first option but couldn’t get seed

Clovers, radishes, turnips, vetches etc etc would work perfectly if you’re planting tomorrow. List is endless Mahoney.

I can source any kind of seed and send it over, as I’ve done several times before. Don’t ever be short. Just ask.

Dying on its feet from what? What diseases?

Wwheat for whole crop is harvested at the ‘doughy’ stage of grain fill, therefore you should be able to save at least one full fungicide on it…trick is to estimate harvest date and work backwards. Not always possible I know because weather mightn’t play ball

I’ve grown enough wwheat in Ireland to know the disease pressures involved.

Hybrid Rye is a non runner due to price of seed, likewise hybrid wheat and barley. Cereal Rye is way better on disease than wwheat but needs good dry land and should be planted earlier than wwheat. Triticale is an excellent option for heavy land or in a high risk take-all rotation. The only disease to worry about with Triticale are mildew and ergot, both of those are easy and cheap to deal with. Ergot is also a problem with Rye and is potentially lethal to livestock…a treatment of Procloraz or Tebuconazole at flowering sorts that and as cheap as chips because they’re really old chemistry.

Septoria Tritici or Nodorum?

I haven’t grown Rye in Ireland so I can’t comment other than for here. In a ‘heavy’ disease year in wheat here, 3+ fungicides, Rye will only need treatment for mildew and ergot. Big difference.

I was growing wwheat in Ireland in one of the most intense pressure septoria areas and I never had a problem with triticale. My only issue with triticale was trying to find a market. That was the only reason I gave up on it. Triticale has around the same feed value as barley, even though I’m aware they’re not the same, but if your growing wbarley at around 160-180u/ac, rye only needs half of that. Likewise wwheat at 190-220u/ac, whilst triticale will flourish on half of that. Also, rye and triticale will condition the soil, rye being outstanding, why grow wwheat and wbarley when you’re using substantially more N, and it’s going for wholecrop? It’s not like you’re selling into a milling wheat market like.

If you get a very early variety and it does well, then you have the option of ensiling it and planting the maize afterwards…or, kill/mulch/disc it before planting the maize. To cover the option of ensiling it, it would be worth throwing in a handful of cereals, doesn’t really matter what kind, to bring something to the mix to help conserve it. Oats wouldn’t be the best, but anything else will do.

The main reason there’s several different earliness varieties of vetch is the fact that it can become kinda woody and unpalatable to livestock. If it becomes woody in February and you can’t get in to harvest it for example, your choices are numbered, iykwim?

Rye usually ends up yielding phenomenal crops of ergot and some admix grain.

I hate when the Rye gets into wwheat..

Regarding red clover does it matter if its chopped in a round bale seeing as its all about protecting the plant?

Any we bale does be chopped anyway.