Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

A beta and delta vaccine was created but didn't go through to production as the % difference in efficacy vs. the current vaccines was too small. There is highly likely to be an Omicron vaccine finished testing, approved and shipping in October, of course this will depend on a sub-lineage of Omicron still being dominant in the wild.

Any scientist/engineer would know this.

There has also been billions spent on failed SARS-COV2 vaccines, CureVac and Sanofi to name 2.

He's only repeating what the medical professionals at the scene said.

Yes prudent to wait until we have all the facts and data. Funny to see it being associated with flying already though.

Ive no idea how this proves your earlier claim which is clearly disproven by the real world Lancet study showing the vaccines providing protection.

This is what she says and she expressly says they were not lying when asked:

"I think they were hoping, but you should know in the original phase 3 trials, that were done in this country. We only measured for symptomatic disease, so we weren't proactively testing everyone in that trail to see if they got infected with mild or asymptomatic disease. So people had to present within the clinical trial. So we never had the data that it was going to protect against asymptomatic infection."

She contradicts herself in the interview or her language is not specific. She says that she knew the vaccines would not protect against infection - do we assume she meant asymptomatic infection based on her later more detailed comments.

Then she says she expected vaccine protection to wane like natural immunity.

So which is it? It doesnt protect v infection or it does but only for months? Again it is unclear.

But it does not support your claim of lies.

Why would she do this if she thought the vaccines were a con job or didnt work?

"I can tell you as a family member who had individuals who were suspectable, of course, we got everyone vaccinated. But we still used layered protection during surges."

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/dr-deborah-birx-says-she-knew-covid-vaccines-would-not-protect-against-infection.4968494/

By the way. You are incorrectly attributing a quote to the ambulance crew. The exact quote is from Shaun, and this is it within the article:

He adds: “When the ambulance came they said it looked like it had been a blood clot or a brain tumour, but it’s just weird that he’d had that Covid booster the day before.

The ambulance crew did not reference the covid booster. It is Shaun.

Article is here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/19300775/happy-mondays-shaun-ryder-reveals-mum-found-brother-dead/

Treatments are the gravy train, vaccines barely make their production cost back.

(it's actually good to see vaccines in demand again as many expensive treatments could be reduced in the future)

I never said the ambulance crew said it was the booster, It was the ambulance crew that said it looks like a blood clot or tumor.

You what? It’s only a few posts ago that you were attributing it to the medical professionals at the scene aka ambulance crew.

Did you listen to anything she said. She's pretty much said don't rely on the vaccine you need Paxlovid.

Again were back to claims people didn't say what they said.

Why did they not test healthy people for COVID in the trials and only tested symptomatic people? Surely that's going to effect your data when your claiming it stops 100% of cases. Was that a deliberate omission?

Lol you keep referring to "my approved list of sources".

What are you talking about?

She got more than her family vaccinated.

She did say the older people should take Paxlovid, why do I trust it I never said I did. I don't mistrust it either. I know some of these HIV drugs can be effective in combatting rouge strains of Pneumonia HIV patients can be susceptible to.

It's hard to agree with a lot of what she says, the Qatar study doesn't agree with her take on natural immunity.

50% of deaths are vaccinated another oddly even figure, I'd be interested in hearing what her take on fully vaccinated is. I have my doubts 50% of the deaths have never had a jab, but it's America and there's a lot of heavyweights there, so possibly.

Your claiming Pfizer didn't bother with the asymptomatic/healthy people as testing was limited. Really, I'm not buying it, seen as they made such a deal about asymptomatic spread before we even had a vaccine.

They lied, multiple examples of lies have been produced. I expect this trend to continue.

This is laughable. You picked an expert and now you say "it's hard to agree with what she says."

So you weren't saying that when you just just read the headline and thought she supported your claim.

She got her family vaccinated. You keep running away from the question. Why would she do that if she thought there were safety issues with the vaccines, or that the vaccines were not beneficial?

She was asked the question did they lie. She did not agree with that. So she has cut the legs out from under you. Your claims are once again shown to be baseless, without evidence and as statements of fact without evidence are not worth consideration.

So now your chosen expert has stacked even more evidence against you. Your argument has hoist itself on its own petard.

Come back to me when you address the points in my previous posts instead of shifting the goalposts each time you are cornered in a baseless claim.

You had no response except weasel words when pointed out the disproportionate number of deaths amongst unvaccinated.

Remember you said the vaccines didn't work. You said she was the source who would prove people lied and they knew the vaccines didn't work.

And the lie question is put to her in the interview and she does not agree with it.

And this is what she said:

"I can tell you as a family member who had individuals who were suspectable, of course, we got everyone vaccinated. But we still used layered protection during surges."

She talks about protection waning, which tallies with the results of the Lancet study cited above which you have offered no rebuttal to.

So yeah, she says don't rely on the vaccine - or natural immunity - because the protection wanes & breakthrough infections are possible. She talks of layered protection such as masks, testing, distancing. And yes she talks of treatment drugs. Nowhere does she say rely on the treatment drugs and don't take the vaccine.

Nowhere does she say the vaccines doesn't protect you against severe covid or provide no protection against infection. Implicitly, she says this because she talks of re-infections happening months later. She talks of the vaccine preventing symptomatic disease. And of course, she and her family got vaccinated. So she must think the vaccine is doing some job.

Your claim is ONCE AGAIN show to be false, and baseless and you provide zero evidence for your claims. As such, without evidence, they are garbage.

This is your chosen expert. Who is pro-vaccine, pro the pharma companies that produce the vaccine and their products, and tells us to protect ourselves against Omicron covid. That we should still be concerned about it. Hoist on your own petard.

They really, really need to start reading the stuff they link dump...