Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

A different poster put it up there a page or so back

There ye go there is the post the poster thought he was making the case of increasing ps pay and actually shot him/her self in the foot when you read into the data and you can see the weekly pay disparity between both sectors

Not what I was saying. I was replying to a previous comment from somebody who disingenously said private sector workers were able to pick cash off the money tree. Not in my experience.

Caviat here: I'm in the public sector now and could earn a lot more in the private sector. I enjoy my work and colleagues. I'm in a lucky enough situation that I'm comfortable and lead, need or want a fancy lifestyle.

Context is key.

Did I hear right that a lot of secondary teachers are turning down the chance to earn more during the summer for correcting papers?? they must be doing alright if they can afford to turn their nose up at extra work while they are getting paid to be off and a cost of living crisis to be managed

I explained a page back why the real change was 5% pay increase for PS which is also backup up by the publically available information, a general 4.75% with the extra part of a percent accounted for by pay equalisation for those entering on the lower scale from 2012. The anomaly of 2020 and 2021 is fairly obviously explained to anyone who's watched the news. All public service pay agreement are set out in the argeements on gov.ie and in the circulars on the relevant departments websites. But don't let facts get in the way of your flashy 17% cherry picked nonsense, you'd struggle to pass a stats questions if you didn't call those years and outliers!

Im not pushing for 10% by the way, I'd be more interested in arrangements that might help keep staff in cities along with a modest increase in line with what's proposed.

That post was about the latest CSO data that shows a 20% pay disparity between the public and private sector. Nothing to do with pay rises in the ps

So your pulling your figures from people with 14 years service among 35000 employees and equating that to 40000 civil servants.

This thread just keeps on brightening my day. 😁

In fairness, this is the ideal for the government. You pay a little under the market value for employees and in exchange you give them stability. Same myself, and I like my work colleagues and the work itself luckily. Recessions produce good civil/public servants!

Exactly it. I'll settle down here (but will do my utmost to earn my wage either sector). May move on, who knows. If I'm getting paid, I'll work my hardest. Don't count minutes/hours and lucky I have a sound boss. As I hope I am. Job gets done...meh, have an early Bank Holiday weekend. Enjoy. However...

And two thirds of those posts are from the same person who denounces any kind of pay rise for the PS - they can't let a post go unanswered, make you wonder...

Aww, do you think I'm richer than you? Thanks!! That means a lot coming from you and shows hard work, dedication and stepping out of your comfort zone does pay off. Things that would be quite foreign to you I'd say.

There was some lean times after 2008 when emigration was a strong possibility but things turned around rapidly after that. Looking back over the course of the decade, it all balances out I'd say. Of course, I'm under no illusion that the future is far from certain.

But again, thanks for thinking of me and taking the time to comment !

From Jan 2014 to Dec 2022 its about 10/11% depending on the amount paid out for increments in 2021. The reason for using 2014 as a benchmark year is because its the year that most will agree that the recession was well and truly over and according to outside auditors (IMF) who tried to put manners on our public finances and we were told the costs we were paying were not reasonable or affordable which is why pay cuts happened for the first time ever in the public sector along with things like the pension levy was introduced. There are as many people educated with yours and different caveats that you outline in the private sector as there are in the public sector.

I know you will argue you cant compare the 2 sectors which is fine if we stuck to this rule but it seems like we can compare both sectors when it suits narrative of a payrise for the public sector and you cant when there is a condraction for these pay rises.. So can you or anyone explain how in England (our nearest neighbour) the private sector earn more on average than their Public sector counter parts and in this country the public sector earn 20% more. The tail is wagging the dog here. I await the "you cant use averages" oh the "oh the outliers" yet outliers will exist to the same degree in both sectors and both countries and the data set sample size is a really high number meaning outliers do not skew the data to the same degree as smaller data sets.

I have explained my reasoning for staying in the position I am in and I have stated I could get a pay rise if I moved jobs. No point getting a pay rise when the recession hits and jobs are lost and forced redundancies are part and parcel for the private sector in those circumstances, for those in the public sector they probably dont get this as they were cushioned from forced redundancies after the last recession you only have to look at the massive swell in welfare figures to see that during that period that the private sector was decimated. So do I jump ship now for a pay rise which could result in a trip to the dole office in the very near future. Its actually like the public sector pay rises now you may get them but if conditions change drastically they will be taken back as currently we will have to borrow the extra 2.3B Billion a year that the sector is looking for.