Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

Previously they used to have camera's at both functions and they did interview's from both banquets. However the feeling coming from the losing banquet was they would prefer if the cameras were not there. The quid quo pro was that the MOTM would have to be selected from the winning team. Its only one year in ten the MOTM would be from the losing team. After losing you do not want to be doing interviews and behaving yourself in front of cameras. Even have to stand and watch the other team receive the cup is tough.

It's not journalists. It's analysts like Kevin McStay, Whelan, O'Rourke etc. These boys have seen them all. Clifford is double and triple tagged. He still manages to be the highest scorer for Kerry in virtually every match. I have seen a good few good players and he the best at even this age I have ever seen. Very few really big players have really high skill level. The only player that I ever say that was even slightly comparable to him was Matt O'Connor of Offaly. Matt was a super free taker as well. But Clifford is a difference class.

I cannot understand lads hang ups about it. I was all the Kerry matches this year except for the Armagh match. The supporters of other teams will always acknowledge that the quality of his scores are first class.

Stephen O'Neill, Gooch, Cavanan were seldom double tagged. Clifford is virtually always and still manages 6+ points from play most days. In the Dublin game every time he got the ball there was three players on him. The same the last day, the only time they got reall caught was for the two marks. He has been carrying a knock all this year and has only trained half the time.

Walsh dose not produce these displays in every match. Ya last Sunday he was exceptional but he was fairly average in a couple matches this year. Neither will he have special and specific tactics put in place to limit his impact.

Not often kerry cynical fouling is called out. At it for years but glossed over by likes of Spillane.

https://www.the42.ie/kerry-defending-5826336-Jul2022/

Every teams fouls, the article as good as says that. It also says that better teams use it. As well it says that previously Kerry were not really at it a much until this year where it choose to tactically foul on turnovers.

Finally Kerry transition so fast this that teams find harder to stop them on the break. Kerry plays the advantage more than .oat teams as it usually has forwards up front it want to get the ball to

Saw that earlier. Good read and it's about time kerry became smarter with their fouling. For too long it was too close to goal which conceded handy frees or else not hard enough for the ref to blow which wouldn't stop the other team.

Dublin set the standard with cynical fouling in the least dangerous areas of the pitch and just stop all momentum. Its fantastic to see kerry now seem able to execute it as well as them.

The mark pre wants teams from defending too deep. Take it away and team set there defencive zones 10 Meyers close to goals. All three Kerry marks were superb last Sunday. All were above the head. Two were off the ground high fielding which was exactly the reason the mark was bought in. Previously the man winning the ball in such a situation was swamped when he landed on the ground. The third mark was a ball collected from overhead under pressure holding off a defender. If it's so easy why are other teams not found it. The rules are the same for both teams

Yeah, if I want to watch a game with the mark in it I'll stick some AFL on. Football is supposed to be a fluid game. If a forward claims a high ball they should bloody we'll be able to do something with it. Lest we forget tackling is still part of the game. What really happened is that lads were claiming high ball and immediately being fouled by the opposition. Unfortunately we seem to have referees that are one step away from the school of the blind and never gave them. So, in typical GAA fashion, rather than police the existing rules they created another one.

Do away with giving the award back at the hotel. Have it announced at the end of the match like any other game. Removes the politics from it and just give it to the best player on the day.

One with Gooch always sticks out to me not the obvious of the 2013 SF v Dublin. But it was another match. I can't even remember the opponent against Kerry. But I happened to be near the front in CP. Two big lumps of fellas were in front of him - Gooch on the ball. Right I said, let's see what he does here.

The Gooch feigned to go left, then right. Within a few seconds he had ran between to the two players with the ball.They were looking at each other as if to say, what happened?

I just started laughing. The only other player that has made me laugh like that (with a mixture of pure cheek and skill) was Diarmuid Connolly.

Clifford is very very good but he's not the best ever nor do I think he'll go on to be. He was a big strong minor who defences struggled against and he does kick some very good scores but skill wise he isn't the same level as Maurice Fitz and he's not as skillful as Walsh either. He's only just started getting realatively consistent on his weaker foot.

Walsh is faster, can switch from left to right without blemish and still maintain the same speed regardless of foot. The quality of scores he can kick off either foot Clifford can't do yet. Clifford has other attributes like his fielding but there has been plenty of players that can field and run up big scores. I'm not seeing anything from Clifford I haven't seen before. Walsh on the other hand put together the best 70mins I've ever seen on Sunday. It wasn't just volume, it was the quality. Even the frees were top drawer and off either foot. Yes he has been inconsistent in the past so he won't get the recognition but on skill alone he's as good as I've seen.

Yeah Clifford is not a jinky type of player. Like the likes of Canavan, Walsh, Connolly, Gooch, Donnellan. A fella who can go past a player with ease - close ball control. Those are the players the fans love and the neutrals want to see.

Clifford's game is more power based, fielding, and long range shots. I am not saying he is not a good player. But aesthetically he looks awkward. Now I know awkward looking players can be very effective like Michael Darragh McCauley. Or Johnny Doyle.

But I feel there is no stylishness to Clifford. His size pace and power, are his most utilised attributes. I think he won't go down as one of the greats mainly because of his injury record. I can't see him staying fit for a sustained period to be mentioned in the same breath as the greats of football.

Plus Clifford started so young and teams were so dependant on him. All those extra years on the legs will tell. It is not like he has that 'minding himself' slow side to side style Ciaran Kilkenny developed. Which has contributed to Kilkenny's longevity.

Please dont tell me you are comparing Clifford with MDMA.

"No stylishness to Clifford" - Christ almighty.

Matt O Connor was finished playing at 24 after a car accident. He had not reached his peak even. However he is rated as the greatest forward until Clifford came along.

This was not a sympathy vote. He was similar to Clifford. Big string powerful player that was very skillful. He has only one Celtic cross. He is especially remembered for his display in the 1980 AI semifinal which is rated as the greatest personal display in a football game

https://youtu.be/snlHd8e7uKs