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January 6 Public Hearings

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    #422
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119387898#Comment_119387898

    Aaaand back in the real world, the walls are closing in on the sad little man. The MAGAt meltdown will be hilarious!



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    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119387898#Comment_119387898

    So it's fine as long as you got the result you wanted.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    Cody montana
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392363#Comment_119392363

    It literally showed the opposite of what he’s stating.

    I’d ask how it exonerated him but it’s a waste of time as you won’t get an answer.

    We all saw it live, trump is responsible.



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    #425
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392728#Comment_119392728

    So, more Trumpster nonsense basically. I've not kept up but usually, it's a safe bet to assume that the opposite of what Trump's supporters claim is true.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392699#Comment_119392699

    Objectively it was constructed in a non credible way, but I like the schadenfreude of dems trying to stitch up Trump, but actually clearing his way to running again. A totally fair approach might have allowed for some weaseling

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392363#Comment_119392363

    I've been hearing the walls have been closing in for several years. Sure who knows the dems might come up with a new hoax that sticks, though that would be a first.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392819#Comment_119392819

    It was assembled this way because, in a two-party state, when one of those parties openly embraces fascism it falls to the other to uphold democracy.

    Had you not gotten the result you wanted, you'd be parroting Trumpster lines about a stitch-up.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392976#Comment_119392976

    The dems are the fascists here right? Trumped up charges ,political show trials, political prisoners that ought to be released and compensated.

    Hans, are we the baddies?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393055#Comment_119393055

    No, the party that attempted the insurrection are the fascists. Obviously.

    Can you prove any of these claims or is this more Trumpster drivel?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393055#Comment_119393055

    "Political prisoners"

    Hahahaha ah stop man, you're killing me!



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    #432
    Cody montana
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393191#Comment_119393191

    Political tourists!


    Trump caused an actual insurrection, but somehow they’re the victims.

    He should be in prison with them.



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    #433
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392819#Comment_119392819

    Objectively it was constructed in a non credible way

    Care to elaborate?


    What was the "totally fair approach" - and are you certain Republicans didn't oppose doing it that way?



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    #434
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393055#Comment_119393055

    Oh,

    Someone else who didn't read the thread. Or you'd know this take was already dunked on:

    Can you help explain for me where the Charges are? Or the Judge? Or the Jury?

    There are no Charges, Trumped up or otherwise, there is no Judge. This is therefore in no way a trial, show/kangaroo/other.

    I don't see where the "Political Prisoners" are. Were any of them jailed for 3 years without trial? Being held in prison for a coup attempt doesn't make you a "political prisoner" you weren't jailed for your belief system you were jailed for your crimes. They're all getting their days in court with real, non-show, non-kangaroo courts and judges. All of which are open to appeal up to, and including, the United States Supreme Court, if anyone is actually convinced their Civil Rights were somehow violated by this process. It's a bit more complicated than the bots you listen to on social media complaining about receiving the other end of Justice.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/26/ponder-sentencing-jan6-prison/


    But go on, keep crowing how unfwair it all is and the travesty of it - while the DOJ carries out the actual Prosecution you'd like to pretend the hearings are.


    https://nypost.com/2022/07/26/merrick-garland-does-not-rule-out-prosecuting-trump-over-jan-6-riot/




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    "political prisoners"

    "pleaded guilty"


    Hmm

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/27/sicknick-jan6-tanios-plea/




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    Wrong thread



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    Will the hearings determine whether lethal force was warranted on unarmed Ashley Babbit? No , there will be no mention of that.

    How about the guy who had charges dropped because cops were on camera waving him in through a door

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/matthew-martin-capitol-acquittal.html

    Or what about Colbert's crew who had charges dropped against them because they are Democrats. Why were the even there?

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2022/07/18/stephen-colbert-late-show-crew-no-charges-capitol-hill-arrest/10093043002/

    All this points to a political show trial you would expect to see in a fascist dictatorship.

    Oh and lol @ thinking a topless man with horns on his head was going to overthrow the US Government!!



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

    While they're at it, the hearing will also not focus on 9/11 or the Kennedy Assassination either.

    Feel free to convince us that any of these desperate straws are comparable to the autocoup attempt on January 6. Comedians overstay visit to record dog-puppet bits in hallway = Conspiracy to violate the constitution and prevent the peaceful transition of power?

    DOJ didn't take nearly as much time unpacking the autocoup as a whole as it did to determine the legal facts of the shooting.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt

      ... The focus of the criminal investigation was to determine whether federal prosecutors could prove that the officer violated any federal laws, concentrating on the possible application of 18 U.S.C. § 242, a federal criminal civil rights statute. In order to establish a violation of this statute, prosecutors must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the officer acted willfully to deprive Ms. Babbitt of a right protected by the Constitution or other law, here the Fourth Amendment right not to be subjected to an unreasonable seizure. Prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so “willfully,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that the officer acted with a bad purpose to disregard the law. As this requirement has been interpreted by the courts, evidence that an officer acted out of fear, mistake, panic, misperception, negligence, or even poor judgment cannot establish the high level of intent required under Section 242.


          The investigation revealed no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242. Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber. Acknowledging the tragic loss of life and offering condolences to Ms. Babbitt’s family, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and U.S. Department of Justice have therefore closed the investigation into this matter.



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    #439
    Cody montana
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

    This is relevant how?



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

    So the hearings are invalid because they have a defined remit?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    Oh and lol @ thinking a topless man with horns on his head was going to overthrow the US Government... haha!

    Except it would have. Even without killing anyone.

    The specific goal of disrupting Congress on January 6 was to undermine the Constitutionality of the election, as the hearings already exhibited on the day they examined the contribution of Jeffrey Clark. They were planning to argue, that since the Electoral Count was not completed on January 6, as proscribed in the law, that the entire process is no longer 'sacrosanct' and therefore, they argued, the whole legality of the election thrown into doubt. Thankfully, the count continued late that night and this scenario never emerged in the courts. And with the committee making recommendations to update the Electoral Count Act to close such a loophole, it will never happen again.

    That's why Trump sat. The goal was to run out the clock until January 7.



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396617#Comment_119396617

    "Will the hearings determine whether lethal force was warranted on unarmed Ashley Babbit? No , there will be no mention of that."

    She was only in the Capitol because she was radicalised by the lies and propaganda from Trump and his ilk. If you're looking for someone to blame start there.



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    xxxxxxl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396684#Comment_119396684

    Governments come and go some get to term some get overthrown. Were the people in Hong Kong wrong ? The only issue is when it fails. Normally the winners write the history on the events. Some say the change in the Ukrainian gov was due to America. Not me not a Tinfoil hat person. They wanted change in the belief their system was corrupt. They ousted their leaders. Many places have. Either you believe the US Gov is beyond reproach or you live in the real world. Do I believe the guy who looked like a character from fallout was right no. But he did and many many others. How large of a movement against the current government in a country becomes legitimate. Say for example 100k Democrats storm the Supreme court. Jail or put to death the judges they don't like over the current abortion laws. Some would argue that's ok.



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396681#Comment_119396681

    Aren't the hearings invalid because they don't have the proper number of republican representatives?..



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    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397473#Comment_119397473

    No.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    Penn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397473#Comment_119397473

    The GOP were able to nominate representatives to the Committee, however some of the nominees were those who were implicated in the investigation. So when they were refused, rather than nominate reps who were not implicated in the investigation, the GOP chose not to put forward any nominees.

    So it was all agreed in advance and was due to a decision by the House GOP. They chose not to have the proper number of republican representatives, a choice Trump himself has recently been lambasting Kevin McCarthy for.



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397598#Comment_119397598

    They wouldn't go along with her show trial, so Pelosi didn't accept them..therefore it's not legitimate..

    But shur, carry on..


    (It's kind of funny how even at this stage people are still falling for the whole "the democrat/CIA/neocon side are the good guys"..)



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    Have to laugh at the usual suspects calling it a "show trial" given the connotations that term has to Stalinist Russia. Sending Donnie to a Siberian gulag sounds good to me.



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397793#Comment_119397793

    To call it anything else is just naive..

    The two attempts to impeach him didn't work..the new york investigations didn't work..

    Imagine if he ran again?..

    They're going to have to have it really fortified this time..

    They'll have cases of ballots under every table..the whole country would stop counting at three in the morning..graphs all over the place would just be jumping up mysteriously..



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397731#Comment_119397731

    Again, Kevin McCarthy could have put forward different members. I believe 2 of the names put forward were implicated in the investigation so couldn't be members, but the other 3 were fine and approved by Pelosi. So all McCarthy had to do was name 2 alternate members. However they then decided to pull the three approved members and not put forward any names, and McCarthy even said they would censure any Republicans who chose to serve on the Committee (such as Cheney and Kinzinger).

    It was McCarthy who made the decision not to have any Republicans on the committee and to censure those who made the decision themselves to do so. Therefore, the committee is legitimate, because the GOP chosing not to have additional republicans on the committee does not invalidate the committee itself.

    Otherwise, any minority party could decide not to nominate members for Committees and therefore stop the Committees from happening. That's just not how it works. They had the chance to nominate any GOP reps not implicated in the investigation, and they chose not to. The committee is still legitimate, unless you can quote an actual legal source to claim it isn't (which I think we can safely assume many GOP and Trump lawyers have already thoroughly searched for).



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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397815#Comment_119397815

    "The two attempts to impeach him didn't work"

    He was impeached twice.

    As for the rest of the nonsense in your post, head off to the CT forum if you're looking for a response to that.



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