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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    One resident was saying residents wouldn't be able to access their houses!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    I don't understand why they can't make this one-way system permanent ...it's completely unnecessary to have two arteries leading into the city centre right beside each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    How is it going to take at least a year to finish when there's no tunnelling or bridges going in? Is it lads on an ANCO course building it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Given the speed they are currently building on Amiens St it would seem this is an understatement. funnelling inbounds from howth road, malahide road and clontarf road through the fairview strand/Philipsburgh avenue junction ? Thats nuts as its extremely constricted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,975 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The water mains along the entire route are being replaced and diverted. I would imagine that alone is one of the principal reasons?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Still seems very long in what you would cover in a full year, I just hope it's not abandoned midway through or that it gets finished and a month late they want to replace the gas or telecom lines through it and have to dig it all up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭trellheim


    thats going to push a lot of traffic down East Wall/East Rd instead to try and avoid it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,576 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    It's lucky they planned for future traffic and allowed a LIDL and an ALDI to be built directly opposite one another on East Wall Road, we really do have The A-Team in planning in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    Also great that they decimate the reliability of a route that was only introduced 2 months ago to replace the crappy 17a and has proven to be a huge success



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,975 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The various works to improve infrastructure along each of the core corridors are going to cause issues for a year or two all across the city in the coming years, so we are going to have to get used to it.

    Dublin Bus have already updated the N4 running times once, so there’s no reason why they can’t again if the need arises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    It does seem fairly slow going. I pass the works regularly and there's often very little going on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,287 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    anyone else get an information leaflet about this through their door? we got one on friday; we're probably 3 or 4km away as the crow flies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    I think an understated benefit of this scheme is that they're going to build a cycle lane along the north side of the Tolka river as it passes Fairview park - this will really open up and connect the two sides of the park on either side of the rail line and make that undesirable no-go area under the railway bridge over the Tolka (on the north bank) far more attractive to park users.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I live a stone's throw from the main areas impacted and haven't received anything in the door since this all started.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,287 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that's what we got.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,205 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Thanks for sharing. The road closures are going to greatly increase traffic in Marino as well. Lots of people will turn off the malahide road and come through it to "beat" the traffic. Best of luck as it's extremely tight especially on Philipsburg avenue. Can't wait to see the final product and should make the cycle in to the office a lot more enjoyable.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Is there information on this anywhere? First I've heard of it.

    Opening up that no-go area on Northside of river would be fantastic if done right. The area just needs some street lighting and maybe some CCTV?...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,287 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There's also plans just started for a Greenway along the Santry river from Santry demesne to bull island.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    LOL that is going to drive the local cranks nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I can't see easy diversions around this either to the east or to the west . For the Malahide road inbound perhaps Griffith Avenue and Swords road but both those are busy out anyway . East Wall will just terminate near the permanent mess that is the Beckett Bridge/Sheriff St junctions anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    If you look at the second picture of the leaflet (screenshots posted above), you'll see that section 5 highlighted in purple includes a link along the north bank of Tolka through Fairview all the way to Alfie Byrne Road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Okay great thanks. It will be great when that's all done. Including the Greenway that Dublin Port are building around the port and including East Wall road



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Was intrigued by this - I googled and came upon this video:


    I thought that it looked the business, and the project must have momentum if they were commissioning videos of it - and then I saw the 2017 uploading date...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,287 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,486 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I think the rage this road closure will cause on Dublin Live and Facebook etc should be investigated as an energy source that could be harnessed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The people of Ballybough are going to go mental too. They have to deal with all the extra traffic but none of the work is going to benefit them. No new trees, parklets or cycle lane for those guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    That's the most hyper parochial view I've ever heard of, ballybough and the North strand are parallel to eachother and only about 250m apart. They're within eyeshot of eachother at most points. How could any investment happen on one and not benefit the other. It'll give people there easy cycling walking and bus access to the entire Dublin coast and docklands area



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I think it's just people who want stuff for Ballybough itself, on the main roadway. They don't think it's fair that they aren't getting any of the planting mainly, but will have to take all the extra traffic. I think at the time, one person pointed out how few trees they actually have. And to be fair, it's an even worse kip than North Strand Road already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭AngryLips




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    No, there was a woman who's part of a local residents initiative that wasn't happy at all. Lots of complaining took place on a local facebook group when the works began earlier this year.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,287 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's always complaining on facebook, to be fair...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    On the jeweller guy. I passed by yesterday and none of the parking on that side of the road has been removed. All of the work is on the park side which never had parking anyway.

    How was his business impacted exactly?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It wasn't! He announced the closure before a traffic cone had even been put on the ground (leading me to think that the shop was always going to close for whatever reason (presumably poor sales irrespective of anything transport related)).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,287 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    giving he was selling the premises, it was an odd thing to go public.

    'this cycle utopia is going to destroy my business because of where it is located. here, does someone want to buy the retail unit i've been using?'



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It would be gas if someone opened a bike shop there! 🤣

    BTW I'm aware there is a nice little bike shop just down the road from there, at the corner of Marino, in case anyone is looking for one in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I think it's the main reason for facebook groups to be honest. 

    😂


    I can understand people wanting better things for their area. But I can't understand complaining when another close by area gets something, as is the case with the C2CC route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    There is four spots on the park side of the road, close to his shop, which will be removed after the works are complete. He said this was too many spaces removed, people needed those four spots across the road to park in, or they couldn't attend his shop apparently.

    In reality, he was probably barely keeping his head above water. Covid probably had a big impact on business. And he just decided to cut his losses, and just go work for someone else. Which was probably a good decision for him. But rather than admit why his business was failing, he just decided to blame cyclists.

    There's an insurance broker up at Annelsey Bridge doing the same thing, blaming cyclists. No complaints though about the two large apartment complexes being built right on his doorstep for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Private cars to be banned inbound from Dublin’s North Strand from Monday


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2022/08/03/private-cars-to-be-banned-inbound-from-dublins-north-strand-from-monday/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Paywalled for me. But I'd love to see the comments.


    Pro troll Ray Shah already complaining on facebook too.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    Interesting thread. I'm a bicycle owner and user. But I don't own or wear Lycra while using the bike. I've often wondered where the angry and rule breaking cylists go when they lock up their bikes. It looks like I found the place . . . . . . This thread. I've only ever seen rudeness and entitlement (exhibited in this thread) in school playgrounds.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Looking at the IT article, the sub heading and the first paragraph refer to the project as constructing a "cyclepath"...

    Buses, taxis and cyclists permitted to continue using route during Clontarf cyclepath construction

    One of the busiest traffic arteries into Dublin city from the northside is to be closed to private cars for at least one year from Monday to facilitate the construction of the Clontarf to city centre cyclepath.

    It is only if one could be bothered reading until the very end that they elaborate (slightly) on what is being done...

    The cycle route, first proposed a decade ago, is part of a €62 million project that also involves watermains rehabilitation and new bus lanes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    If you don't wear lycra then you aren't welcome here mate.

    And if you want entitled, then start with the jeweller in Fairview that didn't want extra trees, didn't want benches for older people, didn't want safer pedestrian crossings, didn't want improved water main and sewage pipes. All because of his failing business that he was closing down anyway.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Nothing here, and it's 250m away from me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Violence has erupted on social media



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ...with pretty much all of it based on completely mis-informed nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The post about it on the Raheny facebook page, from Ray Shah seems to have disappeared.

    Marty Whelan left interpretation of his views open, so hard to know how he actually feels.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    The Karens are now calling for a violent uprising of hard pressed motorists, the toppling of the current anti car regime and possibly a public execution of Eamon Ryan. The struggle is real and these people seem to be using their real names and social media profiles

    I for one can only dream that the construction of bus connects corridors will be a fraction of this level of entertainment. And Fairview isn't even that entitled wait till they get to Rathfornom or Donnybroke. If Sorcha can't wedge the Rover over the bollords onto the footpoth there'll be mayhem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,389 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    To be fair, the Cycling Forum is right up there.

    I guarantee there'll be private cars back on this route by the end of the month, certainly before the schools return in earnest. What Ray Shah correctly refers to the sh1t show will be completely intolerable and unmanageable.

    It could well be that some motorists just keep driving the route anyway, and once a few do it, everyone will.

    I mean, intending to bring all in-bound private traffic back down Portland Row to the Five Lamps, while intending to give enough priority to the Strand to keep the buses moving on time. **** off and pull the other one.

    It'll be back to the drawing board, again, for the keystone cops of project management, Dublin City Council.



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