Toyota bz4X

You mean Toyota who are/were actively doing all they can to prevent & slow the move to EV’s?

the day Toyota go to the wall, I shall be one of the first to toast it with a bottle of bubbly….. (and I say that as someone who has bought/driven many Toyota’s over the years…..)

Good riddance to them.

Fingers crossed the bz4xr3ï debacle turns some of the die hard fan boi’s off them for good…..

The first link is from someone who thinks a Toyota pamphlet is propaganda against EVS because it does not mention them mainly because I imagine they did not make a BEV, well that's my conclusion maybe they should sell tesla cars in their pamphlets,

The pamphlet mentions worker protective clothing, solar panels on a factory roof and some sort of specially painted factory, water treatment, and fish swimming in the cleaned water,

the writer thinks '' It is well-known in the Japanese car industry that their record profit business model is based on the sweat and tears of hundreds of small underpaid parts manufacturers in the country '' I don't know if that is true but 0.5kg of oranges costs 15 euro,

Hard to believe in the price of oranges and the slave labour conditions in the country.

'' Now here’s where the story turns even more sour. In December 2020, the Japanese government announced the ban of gasoline-powered cars by 2030. The backlash from JAMA (Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association), which is headed by none other than M. Toyoda himself, was immediate. The government later retracted its statement and now aims for a mix of gasoline/hybrids, EV, and fuel cell vehicles by 2035. Gasoline hybrids (HEV) and plug-in hybrids (PHEV) are very much powered by fossil fuels and therefore not carbon neutral by any means. But hybrid vehicles are the most complex vehicles with up to over 30,000 parts that need to be built and maintained.''

Its much the same in Europe? 2035

30000 parts? Good job we have 1 battery pack in a model S, ''The P85 pack contains 7,104 lithium-ion battery cells in 16 modules wired in series (14 in the flat section and two stacked on the front'' and here https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+parts+in+a+lithium+battery+cell&rlz=1C1VDKB_enIE933IE933&oq=number+of+parts+in+a+lithium+battery+cell&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l2.20240j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I smell Bullsh1t.

2nd link.

''Toyota has also begun to wage a campaign of FUD—fear, uncertainty, and doubt—to cast EVs as unreliable and undesirable. "If we are to make dramatic progress in electrification, it will require overcoming tremendous challenges, including refueling infrastructure, battery availability, consumer acceptance, and affordability," Robert Wimmer, director of energy and environmental research at Toyota Motor North America, told the Senate in March.''

''While such FUD may have worked in the past when EVs were expensive and charging networks were sparse, it's less effective today and will probably be moot in a few years. Consumers aren't fooled, either. According to recent surveys, somewhere between 30 and 40 percent of consumers say their next purchase will be an EV. Some are following through with their decision sooner than later—plug-in vehicle sales in the US have more than doubled over the last year, compared with just 29 percent growth for the rest of the market.''

Toyota should burn in hell for making such obvious statements, it cost tesla 1.5 million to install 8 chargers in some hotel last month.

I would prefer to see numbers, double is easy to figure out,for example 100000 cars are now 200000 cars, and 29 % percent growth is fcuking brilliant on how many millions of a mature market but that's only FUD.

'' Toyota has been lobbying governments to water-down emissions standards or oppose fossil-fuel vehicle phaseouts, according to a New York Times report. In the last four years, Toyota's political contributions to US politicians and PACs have more than doubled. Those contributions have gotten the company into hot water, too. By donating to congresspeople who oppose tighter emissions limits, the company funded lawmakers who objected to certifying the results of the 2020 presidential election. Though Toyota had promised to stop doing so in January, it was caught making donations to the controversial legislators as recently as last month.''

According to the article source, Toyota gave a tad more to Democrats than to the evil Republicans. Why mention the presidential election?

I am going to give up for now as entertaining as this is, bizarre and irrational indeed.

Next link

Big black writing, scary woahaaaa.

Back-room deals to sabotage e-mobility

''The New York Times reports that Chris Reynolds, a Toyota senior executive, recently traveled to Washington for closed-door meetings with congressional staff members, in which he emphasized his company’s opposition to the Biden administration’s proposed measures to promote EVs, arguing that hybrids and hydrogen vehicles should play a bigger role in the transition.''

Not unrealistic in all fairness. I am selling this, maybe it can help, or is it acceptable that a rep sells the competitors goods.

''Toyota’s lobbying effort in Washington is part of a worldwide strategy of opposing stricter emissions standards and EV mandates. Executives at Toyota’s Indian subsidiary publicly criticized India’s target for 100 percent EVs by 2030''

LMFAO. Its possible, the criticism is hardly unjustified.

''The company sued the Mexican government over fuel efficiency rules'' it says that, I think, given that's the only information, Toyota must be run by paedo's as well.

A fuel cell fiasco

 The climate benefits of fuel cells are predicated on the future availability of green hydrogen,

That says it all really, they backed the wrong horse, batteries have shown a downward trend, but are they making the ideal battery now? cobalt was a choice, now is iron, will it be solid state?, should the companies that made cobalt and iron-containing batteries be so irrationally treated?

Scrapping would seem extreme and youd think it should be possible to develop new parts for retrofit to existing and future cars.

Problem for Toyota is that this isn't an issue that's down to the car being an EV.

So it will have wider non EV implications for their wider reputation - if there is no fix.

The article appeared in the July 13th issue. I'd say the test was done somewhere in June.

Probably around the same time as the youtubers reviews. I skimmed read the article and does not have any personal touch it is like reading the spec sheet. Sorry I lie there is a note "AC will slash 50 miles in a hot day" (that is the range of an old Leaf). Worth mentioning that the print issue has a double page ad for a self something C-HR and the previous one the same double page ad for Supra 2.0. Poor form not to add a note about the recall though.

Probably filmed both items back to back before the recall and then had a date he couldn't publish anything before.

Received an email from my dealership to say Nov/Dec delivery but subject to change…..worth waiting for but !!

I'm assuming yours is not built yet? When did you order? I got a mail saying mine was built but still no timelines on the fix. Assuming they have a fix in place and yours is Nov/Dec, I'm hoping mine will be here in September.

I haven't received any email yet, but I'll follow up with my dealer tomorrow, but in my opinion there's no point in buying a car that close to Christmas especially when they'll be making them with the 11kw on-board charger from Q4 onwards so it might be worth holding out till January.

bz4x is similar in size and price to RAV4 which is the best selling SUV in USA. So one can imagine the impact that this car can cause in the US markets. It can be a Tesla killer. Now Musk is the world's richest person and Tesla shares are of very high value. US Congress offcials have called Toyota's senior offcial and held discussions. So the aftermath is, this car will not be delivered in the near future. Indefinite waiting. I saw two tyaxi drivers few weeks ago in Dublin and they also sais they have booked the car. That means if the car comes into the market, Irish roads will be filled with bz4x. It willbe disastrous to other car companies. Now Toyota is selling the most cars in Ireland and also globally.

I think we can safely say that the bz4x will not be a Tesla killer…. It’s in a completely different league..

in reality it’s target market will be up against the ID.4, Ioniq5, EV6 etc….. but even against those it’s already lacking in tech, performance & range, and it’s biggest downfall is they are all shipping and being driven by happy owners, so it’s already behind the curve….. the only reason it’ll be pitched against those cars is because of its price….

the reality is it’ll be up against the much cheaper MG offerings based on performance & tech..

You need to lay off the Toyota kool-aid/fanboy stuff and conspiracy theories.

If the car comes onto the Irish market in large numbers it will sell well but will not be disastrous for any other manufacturers or be a Tesla killer.... nonsense talk. It will sell happily alongside all the others and people will buy what suits them, the same as it is today.