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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Throwing away this €600, better off direct incentive of abolishing Motor Tax, would provide incentive to 5 EV drivers versus some randomer putting in a home charge point for the sake of it and never touching an EV

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  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    I'm not sure approvals received in August will be valid with a non-smart charger. The terms and conditions state that if they are changed after the initial application, then the revised terms and conditions apply to the application.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    My point is that VRT should be abolished entirely on EVs. Im not aware this has been tried at all.

    It effectively was abolished as the VRT was nearly always less than €5k. That has changed recently though with a lot of cars costing €60k+ so VRT needs to be paid for those, but for years now all the Leaf's/Zoe's/Ioniq's etc had zero VRT.... basically any BEV under ~€35k paid no VRT for close to the last decade.


    The government has no hope of acheiving its target of 1 million electric vehicles on the road by 2030 with the current measures.

    That goal was always a hopeless target that had zero chance of ever being achieved, but I guess you have to think big. Current supply constraints have just made it even more unachievable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I think the actual percentage of EVs on typically 1 hour daily commute during rush hour is high in terms of EV ownership.

    For those with 100km+ daily commute it's a no brainer to go EV for fuel savings. I did the sums and it made sense to go EV asap due to fuel savings. The numbers are entirely different for those only making local trips to nearby schools and supermarket. The quality/age of cars on long daily commute dont really represent normal buyers of new cars. It's great to see lots of EVs in daily use but we are far from targets and lots of diesels and petrols still being sold, while supply of EVs is mostly limited by manufacturers not demand due to supply chain limits. Lots of people hanging onto old car as they cannot decide if to go EV or buy new diesel or petrol. The prices of used EVs really had risen as demand has risen a lot by those with daily commute.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I see Herbert Diess has been ousted as VW boss. Wonder if it will affect the direction VW are going, Diess was very much pro EV..

    https://www.ft.com/content/f73ee239-8c2a-4344-b042-2d78c646506b



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Is the point of it to encourage hotels, shops, gyms, cinemas, tourist attractions etc to put in more AC chargers so less people will need enroute charging?



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Behind a paywall. But a quick google shows it's official. Terrible news. Diess was the only saviour VW were going to get, they should have counted their blessings with him. But I guess there is no such thing as they or them. The problem with VW is that it is not owned by ordinary shareholders like most other big companies.


    So let us say goodbye to the numbers one and two of the past, Toyota and Volkswagen (in no particular order). And let's say welcome to the numbers one and two of the future, BYD and Tesla (in no particular order).



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah bad news, he was constantly clashing with the works council, probably because he wanted to fire half of middle management for being useless at their jobs 😏

    Hopefully the rest of VW is seeing the light and will continue their electrification strategy

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,080 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm




  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I used to think that. I still would like to see that happen. They made a great start early on in 2015 / 2016 with excellent EVs for reasonable money. Unfortunately their production numbers are still very low. They don't seem to be able to produce EVs in big numbers (like say a million a year or thereabouts), like Tesla and BYD have already proven they can.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think companies can well afford a charge point, they are not expensive in the overall cost of running a business and tax deductible

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    So I did a quick check of charger usage on the drive home from Drogheda

    Ionity City North, both chargers in use. ID.3 and Taycan so at least they were using the kilowatts

    Applegreen Lusk, there was an e-C4 at the ESB charger


    Just a random Saturday morning and chargers were all busy along the M1


    There's also Maxol Donabate and the airport, but I've a feeling they were probably busy as well


    Really could do with some more chargers on that route 😬

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Bit more details here


    So apparently it was the gigantic f**k up at Cariad that was the final nail in Deiss's coffin

    Not really sure what VW is expecting to happen with Cariad, seems designed to fail. I took a look at their hiring pages and they're looking for some very specialised knowledge, generally the kind of stuff you'll struggle to just hire people in without paying buckets of money


    IMO they might have more success trying to hire on a bunch of mid level engineers and maybe contracting in a few specialists to train them up and grow the knowledge in house


    Anyway, I'm not going to try playing armchair CEO too much, when I've run a few software companies into the ground I might know more 😁

    On the plus side Oliver Blume from Porsche is going to become CEO. Given Porsche are very committed to electrification then hopefully this means good things for VW group


    Better that than some photocopied VW manager who thinks the future of car propulsion is diesel

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,343 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    In a scheme that was expected to deliver up to 200 public chargers per year, so far 33 have been delivered in the year or so the scheme has been active.

    it’s fairly clear that the majority councils want nothing to do with EV charging.





  • Registered Users Posts: 9,306 ✭✭✭markpb


    It’s amazing that they didn’t think this would happen. Giving part of the capital cost of a project to a council means that they have to fund the rest of it, they have to find a staff member to manage the tender for the installation of it and then look after it after that and running operational tenders every few years. It’s a lot of work for something that they don’t really care about.

    If it’s important, either do it centrally or force councils to do it. This weird half-way house approach doesn’t work with local authorities in Ireland. See: housing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭innrain


    They are approved not delivered. We have to wait for those 33.Then if you remember Co. Louth installed a pilot AC for 30+k. Maybe there is some interested party hence the big number.

    The LGMA document clearly says there is no business case for LAs to install chargers. Grants mean something voluntary. You don't have to do it Then Dublin LAs say they rather install rapids which do not qualify for this grant. Then they say there is no space for rapids, and where there is space there is no power. It is good they have parking enforcement divisions cause that is making money. Mark is right it is govs fault for not driving the change, and leaving it to the uninitiated local councils who don't see value in getting more work on their plate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'd almost be okay with LAs not bothering with installing chargers if they'd make it easier for people without driveways to install home chargers. There's solutions out there which don't result in any obstruction on the pavement but LAs just don't want to know

    Instead we get this situation where a significant number of homeowners can't have an home charger, and don't have access to good public charging

    LAs are doing their usual trick when asked to do soemthing for residents where they drag their feet like a bunch of kids going to school 🙄

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well I'm glad Bord Gais is doing so well out of the current energy crisis 😑

    I get that business is business, but is a 74% rise in profits really justifiable. I mean that surely means that they're increasing prices at around 2x their cost increases, right?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭innrain


    No just x1.74

    x2 is for the winter



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,080 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It works out at around €78 per customer profit for the first six months.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting fact, today I've seen at least 5 EV taxis, all around Dublin airport. 3 ID.4s, and Enyaq and a ZS EV

    Great to see taxis taking the initiative and going electric. I think a lot of people see them and start to seriously consider making the move themselves

    It's also interesting that the ID.4 seems very popular with taxi drivers. I probably tend to notice them more since I drive one myself, but between them and the MGs they seem to cover most of the EV taxis at the moment

    I've seen a few Model 3 taxis, and I've yet to see any Kia/Hyundai's with taxi plates

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭shanec1928




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Only x2 for winter? You must be feeling optimistic 😁

    I was almost thinking they were building up the cash pile for winter in case they'd need to pay extra for gas supplies (which seems likely)

    But if that was the case then it wouldn't be profit, it'd be operating costs

    Like I said, I know this is how companies work, they make money for shareholders. But it'd be nice if they weren't ringing the bells about how great this all is

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Any taxi driver not in an EV by now is certifiably insane. The subsidies are off the scales, basically they get the EV taxi for near zero total cost of ownership over several years. Even if you're addicted to the stink of diesel and your hobby is to give people cancer, you'd still be very tempted to go EV as a taxi man for the enormous financial savings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Down in my part of the world they are mainly Niros and a few Enyas



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Fair number of E-Niros as well around me too, they all just seemed to be in hiding today.

    Might have spotted one blocking a petrol pump (while a Prius was blocking the charger) but didn't get a good enough look to see if it was a PHEV or EV

    PS, the Prius moved after a minute, in his defence there was literally nowhere else to park

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Dubwat


    The Kia EV6 had privacy glass in the rear windows so would fail the taxi test on the face of it. My understanding is that Kia weren't too keen on sourcing the replacement glass. Clear glass might be available now via a Dublin showroom called O'Sullivans (?)

    Hyundai were not offering a taxi warranty (unlike their UK counterparts) so that would put some off, I guess. That warranty text could be read two ways but I believe that the sales staff were verbally saying there is/was no taxi warranty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,373 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think the taxi subsidy was closed for a while this year, from March or April. It got oversubscribed and ran out of cash, but should be reopening for the second half of the year


    Who'd have thought that EVs would have been so popular as taxis? 😏

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    The few I've talked to not in EVs are either waiting on cars or waiting on the right one for them. Latest chap was hoping for the stellantis vans to be made available with the bigger battery. Not come across one yet that wasn't considering an EV.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Dubwat


    It's supply and demand. In the first grant year, grants were available until Oct. This year, the grant offers closed in Feb (or March?) due to huge demand but they can't buy an EV within the 3 month grant window. The NTA has offered to be flexible but the dealers won't commit any delivery dates to paper. So the taxi drivers are caught between a rock and a hard place.

    Also, spare parts are a potential problem. I'm hearing stories of people waiting months for spare parts and not just EVs. A taxi driver can't be off the road for 2 or 3 months while waiting for a spare part to turn up for their new EV. In an auld Prius or Skoda, you could go to the breakers yard and get a spare part within hours.



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