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Next British PM

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Rishi Sunak - 118 (up 3)

    Penny Mordaunt - 92 (up 10)

    Liz Truss - 86 (up 15)

    Kemi Badenoch - 59 (up 1)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭cml387


    It's difficult to look past Liz Truss now. She should overtake Penny Mordaunt it the last ballot tomorrow.

    Therafter she'll probably beat Rishi in the party membership vote.

    However that being said there may be a large enough body of MP's who, when they look into the abyss of a Truss premiership, vote to keep her out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭vimalandrew


    For all the West to economically survive which it had enjoyed for many centuries, India is the only way. Because China is rising. Russia has attacked Ukraine. So finally Rishi Sunak will become the PM of UK. That is how Leo Varadkar became Irish Taoiseach. Soon, Kamala Harris will become the President of US.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'm struggling to comprehend a world where Liz Truss is somehow shaping to be the next PM. To elect one incapable idiot might be considered a moment of weakness; to elect a second? At least Johnson never hid from the fact he wanted to árse about playing Dear Leader; Truss appears to think she's capable - and a Dunning-Kruger is a trickier proposition to swallow.

    Labour might do cartwheels if Truss is elected; you'd have to wonder if that would significantly shorten the odds of a Labour GE win.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,337 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    All Labour has to do is offer her a promise that Labour will buy British cheese for all their functions and she'll probably agree what ever they want; let alone what world leaders will get out of it all...



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's the result of winning three elections on the trot. They don't feel threatened by Labour and they're self-serving careerists, even by the low standards one might normally apply to any politicians.

    Truss sees her opportunity and is going for it. Interestingly, there's not much that she and Sunak can offer the other to eliminate the final vote from the membership so watching them tear strips off each other ought to be at least somewhat entertaining.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Truss as PM would be entertaining if she wasn’t intent on using our island to gaslight us all and further her own political career, peace be damned. She is not very bright, yet very ambitious, and will change her stance like the wind if she thinks it will give her a political advantage. A dangerous combination.

    If she does become PM, I hope there’s a general election within months, as the British people finally have enough of being embarrassed on the world stage. Then maybe we can end this Tory horror show for once and for all.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,383 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its also a result of Johnson utterly gutting his cabinet and indeed the Tory party of anyone with brains or morals.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Penny got a fierce roasting by all the media there at the start of the week- every English paper was running stories of either her trans rights stance or her laziness and incompetence- it’s obvious the media don’t want her anyway.

    But the speculation is Sunck wants her in the final two- so will be interesting what “dark arts” are worked by the grey suits in the background



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    What happens if there is a tie between 2nd and 3rd?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    This contest is all about taxation.

    Truss presenting herself as a tax cutter (which she won't do if she gets in) and Sunak as the safe pair of hands.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I thought Truss would be arguing for all her achievements - like hmm like hmm - I am sure I can think of one - just a minute - hmmm. Well anyway, she does like cheese.

    Sunak will be concentrating on his clean hands and the fact he resigned from the Cabinet after - well when it was obvious - well the lies had to stop. Also, it was his wife that had Non Dom status, and avoided a pile of tax, despite being ridiculously rich. He will not mention his USA Green Card he had while Chancellor.

    Oh dear, what a complex web we weave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Its a weird one. Looking at the final 4, when it came to a general election the weakest was clearly Truss and she is the betting fav if only marginally.

    I find the criticisms of Sunak from the tories odd, he backed Brexit from day one and while he maybe looser than the ERG would like with spending he's not exactly lefty economically.

    Truss was a remainer from day one, but I think in her the ERG see a useful idiot they can control to their bidding.

    Maybe she will surprise us if she wins, but I see no upside in her whatsoever electorally, Boris had insane charisma and May was able to portray herself somewhat as a serious politician, Truss is absolutely empty.


    Cummings been pretty nasty about Truss online, he's always liked Sunak so I wonder what type of devilment he will get up to next few weeks. Obviously Rishi will officially distance himself from him.

    https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1549772971585245184



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    It's a brown guy vs a White Great British Woman.

    Xenophobic Tories will never select the brown guy. It's gonna be Truss.

    The dimest and most incompetent PM in history. Which after another most incompetent client BoJo is really an achievement.

    Labour must be praying for this outcome and hoping they won't select Sunak. They should endorse Sunak publicly just in case...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I don't entirely agree with this; electability has to factor and the Tories can't possibly be that myopic as to hand Labour its biggest advantage going into an election. I'd say it's a total coin toss at this stage. Either way the choices are utterly terrible. Though speaks volumes that when it comes to the current crop of Tories, it absolutely could have been worse. Imagine if Suella Braverman conspired to find herself the frontrunner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,509 ✭✭✭cml387


    Whatever you think about Tony Blair, since he was PM every successor has been worse than their predecessor and the pattern shows no sign of changing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭vimalandrew


    Whatever be the case, for Britain to survive an Indian is to be elected as British PM. So the final answer is Rishi Sunak. Thats how

    Leo became Irish Taoiseach;

    Kamala Harris became US VIce President.

    Sathya NAdella-Microsoft Chief.

    Sundar Pichai-Google CEO.

    Aravind Krishna - IBM CEO

    Parag Agarwal - Twitter CEO



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,537 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    Conincidence does not mean corellation. Please post meaningful discussion of the issue of who the next British PM might/ought to be.

    Edit: by all means start a new thread on India as an emerging world power/superpower. Its an interesting and underdiscussed topic. But it should be kept separate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Lazy Irish analysis. All Tories are racist blah blah blah. Did you not see the line up of contestants they had?

    The whole contest is centred on taxation, inflation and borrowing.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Leo Varadkar is Irish and was born in Dublin. Kamala Harris is American (born in Oakland, Ca). Rishi Sunak was born in Southampton and has been a Briton all his life. Not sure why you think they are Indian!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So the lineup is fine so long as the white person wins? Chimes well with your repeated attempts to portray English people as white nationalists.

    Diversity is great when you can take shots at the left and only then.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I never said anything about white nationalism. Not one post. Are you getting me mixed up with someone or just looking for a pointless row?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The Indian diaspora are enormously successful. They have strong work ethic and they respect local traditions and culture.

    No wonder they're doing so well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Lets not forget Kemi was the most popular with the members as she stormed the last conhome poll which is a very good barometer of the members.

    Their is a lot to deplore about the leadership campaign but the diversity isn't. Army Man, Hunt, Snapps were the only white men who entered this and did absolute **** all between them, heck none of them even made the final 4.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    With a final twist that I'm not Irish. So now what? Lazy bloody Continental Europe analysis?😂

    Tories are racict classist xenophobic despicables and should be disbanded. I absolutely despise them and I have absolutely no affiliation with Northern Ireland or Irish Nationalism. I despise them from a European progressive point of view, they're stuck in 1900s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    Once they actually elect a man/woman of colour to the leadership then we can talk. They aren't called "Conservatives" because they're progressive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The faux enthusiasm for diversity disappeared quite sharpish once it became likely that a white candidate was going to win. It's about owning the left and nothing else. I'm not going to be lectured about diversity by the whitest party in the House of Commons.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Luckily not everyone is absolutist as you when it comes to other human beings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I think the DUP, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cumyra etc have no non white MPs.

    Have you got a source for this claim about the whitest party in the House of Commons?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I meant between the Tories and Labour. The Lib Dems are too small and the others are from ethnically, relatively homogeneous regions.

    One in five Labour MPs are now black or minority ethnic, compared with 6% of Conservatives.


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Things are changing. The Tories have a brown man in the leadership contest. Bashing the Tories over diversity looks silly.

    I note not one post about their economic policies, you know.. the stuff people actually care about.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, it doesn't. The Parliamentary party is overwhelmingly white, as I've shown. And, as for the membership:

    Many of the candidates will place democracy front and centre of their campaigns, promising to fulfil the hollow promises made in 2016 as a matter of integrity and duty to the “British people”. And yet, whoever takes over from May will ultimately be decided by the Conservative membership who are 71 per cent male, 97 per cent white and 44 per cent aged over 65.

    You're clearly just playing the disingenuous "own the libs" card here. I'm not buying it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    You only want to argue about race . Times are changing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm calling out your disingenuous posturing. You played the race card in bad faith.

    Since you've no rebuttal, let's move on.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    What are you about bad faith. You wrote up an incorrect assertion about the Tories being the whitest party which it isn't. You accused me of falsely mentioning English white nationalism the other day.

    It sounds like you're able to dish it out grand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭McGiver


    The membership is virtually all WASP. And classist exceptionalist xenophobes most likely too.

    Anyone trying to say that Tory party (the whole membership) are "diverse" needs to get their head checked.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I do not know what to make of the current spat to choose the next PM.

    An argument about the cost of ear-rings versus the price of shoes and suits.

    Why did Sunak not say - 'I am wealthy so why would I worry about how much clothes cost when I can afford them?' and 'I do not wear earrings so it matters not what they cost!' - and 'Penny pinching is not the way to run a nations economy!'

    Truss is such a lack of talent in every department she should be easy to expose as a nonentity.



  • Administrators Posts: 54,123 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think the risk is that it's so easy to expose Truss as a vacuous politician that when you actually get to debate with her that you can start to look bad yourself, being seen as "mean".



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Surely it is better to be seen as mean than to be exposed as equally vacuous by stooping so low as to be as the same level as her that you get defeated by her because of her extensive experience at vacuous debate.

    Why is wearing cheap earrings a qualification to be PM? Why is she even believed to be wearing cheap earrings and not just claiming that she is a cheapskate that wears paste earrings - surely not! She likes her cheese so I doubt she skimps on anything.

    How off importance can this debate and campaign go? Inflation, poverty, foodbanks, NHS, queues at Dover. etc. etc. need discussion, but not expensive shoes and cheap earrings.

    I doubt Truss would even get a go at PM on 'Yes, Minister'. Mind you, neither would Sunak.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    You're ignoring what's going on in front of your eyes. Even if Sunak fails to win, the Tories still had a brown man in contention to be their leader. It's indicative of how much the Tories have come on since Thatcher.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, it isn't. They've sank as a party. She'd never have left the EU for starters.

    The membership will make sure that Truss wins.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Trusty Truss or Sunnyman... well... what can I say. Middleweights one would suppose. it's very much a wait-and-see situation as to regards what either of them can bring to the current Brit government. Truss needs to find some steel as looking shocked when someone passes out in front of her reminds me of the grief Hillery Clinton got a few years ago during a photo op at the war room in the Whitehouse. If she gets the big job she needs to look stone cold in the face of adversity.

    This could work in her favour... it gets well away from Boris.

    Dan.



  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't be naive!

    It's like David Blaine doing a card trick.

    You think you have a choice of card but you'll always get the one he gives you!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nope. First time was a coalition, second was a wafer thing majority, third was a hung parliament and fourth was a win. Each time they fell short of 50% of the vote.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    All UK political parties have not got over 45% of the popular vote since 1932. That is democracy UK style thanks to FPTP. They got rid of the rotten boroughs (eventually), they need to get rid of FPTP.

    [Clue - they wont].



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    They won the last 4 elections as they had the most votes and got to form the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,633 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Both parties got over 45% in the elections after WWII. Labour got 48% in 1945 for example.

    If they were to change to PR, all it would lead to is the Tories forming a government with a smaller right wing party. So if you're anti Tory, going PR may not give you the results you want.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,644 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not about me getting the result I want, it's about democratic legitimacy.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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