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Tomb Raider (Reboot)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Bumping the thread, cos bizarrely this is getting a sequel. It gets further odd though, because Ben Wheatley is tipped to direct. His frequent writing collaborator, Amy Jump, is also on-board to write

    https://deadline.com/2019/09/tomb-raider-sequel-ben-wheatley-director-alicia-vikander-lara-croft-mgm-march-19-2021-release-1202710550/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I wanted to like it but this was a horrible movie. No sense of fun to it at all, just really tacky. Bad as they were, the Jolie ones were better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,716 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    pixelburp wrote: »
    It gets further odd though, because Ben Wheatley is tipped to direct

    What the hell?!?!

    Well, people said the last one was boring, safe to say this one's unlikely to be!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I can believe one of that partnership taking a chance on a Hollywood Blockbuster, Wheatley has directed Dr. Who so he seems to have some measure of fondness for pop-culture, but both he & Amy Jump?

    Can't see how the two of them won't clash when their inevitably edgy script clashes with the executives getting cold feet. If nothing else I suppose my interesting in a Tomb Raider 2 just shot up 1000%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88,204 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Misha Green To Write/Direct Next ‘Tomb Raider’ With Alicia Vikander Reprising As Lara Croft

    Misha Replaces Ben Wheatley


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Misha Green To Write/Direct Next ‘Tomb Raider’ With Alicia Vikander Reprising As Lara Croft

    Misha Replaces Ben Wheatley

    I never really expected Wheatley to see this one through.

    Misha Green was the show runner for Lovecraft Country. I found it a bit hit and miss as a series but individually lots of the episodes were amazing and it certainly had a very distinct style.

    I'm more interested in seeing this version than I was in the Wheatley version, to be honest.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They'll keep trying to make this series happen I guess. The IP is just caught between two stools of being a trashy t&a indy Jones ripoff, but corporate owned and too valuable to its owners to not be a bland, 4 quadrant $150 million vehicle. But being a ripoff limits the appeal of the character; I know the reboot games are well thought of, so not sure if they add more charisma or character beyond "sassy, with daddy issues"


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    So this has been dropped completely now and apparently its heading for another complete reboot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,091 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    It seems MGM lost the rights to it because they didn't start filming within the window they needed to start filming to keep the rights.

    Maybe Amazon when they bought MGM this got lost in the shuffle.

    The movies themselves were never box office smashes in anyway shape or form.

    It might be better suited to a series than movies if they try and film it again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    At this stage they might be best trying their hand a TV series than another Indiana-Jones-but-not film. The Vikander film was the definition of mediocre.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    A few weeks ago Vikander said in an interview that Amazon buying MGM had left them up in the air and she didn't know what was happening with it. So the news it's been dropped completely isn't surprising.

    These f**king mergers killing off so many things these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Tv series would work much better. Something like Blood and Treasure where you have Lara searching around the world for one treasure every season



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh it'll be back. Mergers can mean stuff gets shuttered but I'd be surprised if this doesn't get a TV attempt. Especially if the Amazon Fallout TV show works out well. Suppose it depends on how valuable the Tomb Raider IP is seen to be.

    Sounds like you quite enjoyed the Vikandar film?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I think it was alright but obviously have been better. I'm not sure I had strong feelings one way or the other, I was more interested in what Misha Green was going to do with it, having enjoyed a lot of Lovecraft Country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,279 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, her writing would've given us a completely different thing to the last movie.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ah, fair enough re. Green. Bit cautious myself these days of people with imagination getting hold of IPs. Haven't seen Lovecraft Country but had heard it didn't lack identity. Feels we're a long, long way past the days Tim Burton got a blank cheque to make Batman and its sequel. Think the old exception of late night be Noah Hawley allowed to make an Alien TV show, and even that's still a WIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I don't know if a TV series would be the best move either. I don't know if Lara is a strong enough character or has a good enough story. Plus part of the appeal would be the locations and stunts, and the budget of a TV show would likely make all of that horrible and cheap.

    I'd say a Netflix or Disney+ movie would be the best course of action. Reduce the budget and pressure of a big theatrical release, but not stretch it out so thin that it needs to support a series.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    When I think Tomb Raider TV show my mind goes straight to one of those 90s or early 2000s TV shows like Relic Hunter. A different location/adventure every week, but it's just the same Styrofoam rocks shot from a slightly different angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Much more suited to a TV series. Disney have a "National Treasure" TV series coming out but, if it's anything like the (goofy guilty pleasure) Cage movies, they'll be family friendly romps. That leaves space for a slightly more adult series. I'm not saying go down Game of Thrones route or even a particularly violent angle but simply something a bit more serious and in depth.

    And not even the perma-outraged anti-woke brigade could complain (Although I'm sure they'd find SOMETHING to complain about).

    But yeah, it is much more suited to a TV series. And not a "tomb-of-the-week" type thing but maybe "Tomb-of-the-season" type thing. TBH, as said above, most game adaptations would be more suited to TV rather than movies. Certainly streaming services where they can put in the money and have 6 or 8 episode runs per season. Uncharted, Mass Effect (Much too big for a movie) etc. I mean if studios can take a slim novel like The Hobbit and turn it into about 24 hundred hours (it seems) of movies including a 2 hour sing-a-long-washing-dishes scene then how do they think they can compress a game with hours of back-story into one movie? Especially single-player games created in the last 20 years or so. My God, I think one of the Metal Gear games had one cutscene alone that was over 1 hour long



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    We can't be that far from the point po culture starts rebooting 2000s properties anyway, so Relic Hunter Tomb Raider may not be that far away!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah they're making a Metal Gear Solid movie, whereas it's far more suited to a TV show imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I'm kind of nostalgic for the older format of TV shows. I watched all 7 seasons of Legends of Tomorrow earlier this year, and bar an awful 1st season, it was basically an adventure of the week show/high concept comedy, and it was so much fun. Not saying they should go that specific route with Tomb Raider, but it would certainly be something different for the property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,100 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    What do you mean how. I am not saying it will be any good but not that hard to make something out of it.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It'll be a 2 hour monologue about geopolitics then the movie ends.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,100 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I only played first 2 Metal Gear Solid games

    A madam takes over an unnamed country (or name it as in the first game) and then tries to take over other places and a team go in to stop him. Was that not Top Gun 1 and 2. Replace earth for space you have star wars. Take out country you have James Bond, Kingsland, XXX and even Tomb Raider.


    As an aside love an up to date version of the first metal gear solid for the PS5



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    How would it be more suited to a TV show? You could spend more time showing the likes of the Colonel, Mei Ling, Naomi etc, build up the history of Foxhound and give background info to the events of Big Boss, Outer Heaven and Zanzibarland (which was pretty confusing first time playing the game), and give more time to action scenes and the boss battles.

    There is a lot in the first game to try squeeze into a 2.5-3 hour movie, and a lot of things that if they took their time with they could really expand upon. And that's just the first game. If it was successful, a season 2 where they do MGS2 would have so potential for a TV season where you could do the tanker section, plus show both Raiden and Plisken's journey through Big Shell.

    Again, I'd be concerned that Tomb Raider is too thin to be spread across a TV series, whereas MGS actually has so much content that trying to condense it into a movie means you could lose or greatly diminish so much of the history and background that it ends up a mess.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think Metal Gear Solid is like Resident Evil in that the truth not admitted by fans is that the story is, to my eyes, utter absurd and ostentatious bollix. MGS isn't fresh in cinema; its subjects have been done dozens of times, albeit with fewer mechs and conveniently naked sniper women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,463 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A direct translation of the story wouldn't work, especially since so many story beats are predicated on things you can only experience or are hidden in gameplay. But I think the MGS story has a decent enough base to build off. It'd need a decent writer though who understands what made the original story great, but can actually make it decent enough that it'd work as a show/movie.

    Tomb Raider and Resident Evil are far more generic stories.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,279 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It’s only thin if you decide to leave it thin. There’s plenty of scope to move far beyond the constraints of the existing stories and make something really interesting. Just using the existing IP as the foundation to build a more interesting and nuanced story and world upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Oh, it's batshit crazy (as is the creator, Hideo Kojima.... But not enough to murder Japanese ex-PM) and, if you wanted to basically just take the general premise then you could quite easily adapt. But, in taking out the lunacy, you have a very bland IP.

    I never played the Resident Evil games, they just didn't interest me, so I won't comment. And, cards on table, I only ever dabbled in Metal Gear but was enough to know that, yeah, I have no idea what's going on.

    I mean, apparently the Uncharted movie is pretty ok (Tom Holland's youth being the biggest issue) because they basically just took the character names.

    Of course there is that Halo series but again, I haven't played many of the halo games. Certainly not enough to know anything about the lore.

    Tldr: faithful adaptations of genes or any long-form media like books, IMHO are more suited to TV



  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    so... three shite to mediocre movies down (including a "reboot") and the previous movie franchise owner couldn't be arsed making a fourth...

    fourth time lucky?

    would there be many out there that care at this point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,091 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Each episode can be him hiding under a different box.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well I wasn't expecting that. That'll tick off a lot of "gamers" and those allergic to Waller-Bridge, but not exactly sure what she might bring to what is, in effect, a very thin universe.

    A TV series is the right move though, the movies have been tried and nobody bites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    They're saying now it's a show and a film. I'd assume they're trying to set up some kind of MCU style connected universe. I dunno. Not sure I'd enjoy PWB actually playing Lara Croft, but she's a good writer, the first series of Killing Eve was fantastic, and she did some work on the last James Bond film too, which everyone seemed to enjoy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Then it's doomed to fail cos the universe isn't that interesting, or really exists outside of Lara's perspective. One of those worlds where it's just a playground for the Main Character and that's it. It'd take a stroke of luck or genius to make something cohesive audiences might gravitate towards.

    Wonder if Vikander is on the radar to return; might be too expensive, while the actor has probably moved on; Waller Bridge might entice though.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    DJ2 are doing the film apparently. They made the first Sonic The Hedgehog film, and are apparently involved in an animated series of Tomb Raider with Hayley Atwell voicing Lara.

    The film is somehow going to tie in with the series, so maybe it's going to introduce new characters or something. There's talk of a new game too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,279 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    On the other side, the universe as it exists is sparse enough for them to flesh out and fill in the blanks themselves instead of being beholden to established nonsense that doesn't translate from games to film/tv. Having an excellent writer on board can only help that anyway.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh there's always a chance but Tomb Raider was just a playground for Lara to run around in, with even less external identity than Indy. Secret societies being less arresting IMO than Nazis. There's always a possibility it could be filled in with interesting characters, especially if Waller Bridge is attached to write, but the precedent for Indy-but-TV shows isn't great. If nothing else Amazon should bring more convincing foreign locales.



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