General Star Trek thread

Unfortunately for the Enterprise and Excelsior there are no hedgehogs in space.

What's that meant to mean?

Also Enterprise and Excelsior won that fight.

The soundtrack was great to that.

Yeah

I would be happy to buy the Polar Lights model kit of the same size, if it didn't involve having to apply so many of those cursed decals yourself.

I built a 1-foot and a 2-foot version of the TOS enterprise and the builds were fun but the application of the decals at the end basically ruined the experience for me, they just tear or come apart as you're applying them and you're left with a useless painted model with no insignia.

I do still really really want to try the 1/350 TMP Enterprise from Polar Lights...! Not sure how impressed Mrs JayRoc would be when she saw how much space it would take up, though.

That was something on the DS9 doc.

I really don't want to see this. DS9 was my favourite and most interesting Trek show. The characters were probably the most human of all Trek (regardless of their actual species).

Sisko had the same sense of righteousness that Burnham has but at least with his character there was the space, even the expectation, to question this righteousness.

Think of his Pale Moonlight monologue in Discovery terms: 1 it would be voiceover as she walks in slow motion through the ship. 2: each person she passed would look up at her worshippingly. And 3: there would be the obligatory "Did I do what was right. Blah blah blah". Not the awesome :"But the most damning thing is: I think I can live with it.... I CAN live with it"

I love SNW but no. Leave DS9 alone. There are SO many options. Give us a Daystrum Institute show (you can even then bring in Com Meaney for crossover appeal). Give us a cop show set in San Francisco.(Streets of New San Francisco 😃), if they bring in McCoy eventually, to SNW, give us an M'Benga show on a medical station (I really like that guy), you want or action, give us a MAKO series.

There are so many options. Don't risk of for a biscuit.

The terrified rictus smile on his face as he tried to backpedal from letting slip the nicknames of Number One and Soong: "I don't know what I am saying"

Micheal: Garak! You….(tears welling up) (whispering) You always planned to kill him didn’t you?!

Garak: Yes Captain, and if you can hold back your blubbering for one moment you would know that we may have saved the whole Alpaha Quadrant.

Micheal: (Whispering, shaking head) But it is wrong there are rules

Garak: Human rules which seem to give far too great of an advantage to your enemies. Now please leave, you are causing moisture damage to my spring frocks.

Micheal: This CANNOT stand! I am going to Constable Tilly now to get a warrant! (Leaves)

But your mistake is thinking Discovery "didn't work" or was some how "handicapped"

You are just projecting your own feelings on to show.

Gene Roddenberry did have some really great ideas do.

Star Trek is not the only thing he came up with do. There was Andromeda too and other shows as well.

All manner of poor Television get multiple seasons, especially these days when you have streaming platforms thirsty for content. If a show like Discovery can keep cost effective, then they’ll keep ordering new seasons, quality be damned.

Admittedly yes, I’m in that 30+ group who watched the TNG shows when they came on broadcast TV. It was that time I became a Trekkie as well as many others, if not earlier for some. They were the helsion days of a long lived franchise that had finally gotten enough cash, fandom and technology to expand it’s fictional universe.

After Enterprise we entered a decade where it looked like we would have no more Trek, but the JJ Movies did give the franchise a boost to get it back to life and the rise of streaming platforms give it a place to return.

But it is a double-edged sword. Streaming platforms demand frequency and quantity. Quality appears to be a secondary concern. This environment rushed out what became Discovery and although the early season of that showed considerable promise, it was ultimately flawed by being formed as a season-long arc show, run by people who don’t know how the write that kind of thing.

I am projecting my feelings for Discovery because My attachment to Trek is based on emotion. Emotions such as enjoyment, excitement and even fear when young Rawr had nightmares of the Borg.

Trek to for work me, needs to be something that I can form a positive emotional attachment to. In most versions of Trek including the JJ Movies, and some of the newer Trek I can do that, but with Discovery after Season 2 I could only attached disappointment and frustration. Trek or not, it had become a bad Television show that was not enjoyable compared to the rest of the current franchise that could at least manage that.

I am no Robbenberry or Trek cannon purist who refuses to accept changes to the Trek formula, but the experience still needs to be good, and feel they had failed to do that with Discovery. I feel they should finish that show and give the time & resources that to a new Trek project built on the lessons that I hope they have now started to learn.

2 more seasons takes it close to Bermantrek levels so I can't see how it can be considered a failure then.

We all here think it's sht but don't forget that plenty of crap TV is very popular.