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Pillar bedding

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  • 29-07-2022 6:14pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭


    Is there any preference as to which metal should be used for the pillars on a rifle bedding project. Brass/aluminium etc..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    I used aluminium tube from B&Q, woodies stock it now. I bedded the trigger guard and pillors first.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,438 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Are those pillar bedding sleeves you can buy on gun sites any better than plain old tubing? I know they have a bit of a wavy outer surface, but you could probably make that yourself if it's even necessary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    The action screws were 6mm, so I used tube that had an internal size of 6mm. From memory I drilled the action holes in the stock out to 10mm. That way I got some epoxy down the hole as well.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    What thickness has the wall of the tube?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    I don't know, it was whatever it was. About 1mm..

    Have a look at the photo's of bedding my Sako 75 in the "hunting tips" section.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Thought I saw somewhere that someone used brass gas fitting. The fitting with the grooves on it so a pipe can grip the fitting. The hole would have to be the correct size.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    Yes I did use a cut down gas fitting on the many 10/22's I bedded. But pipe was use on my .22lr CZ 455, 452 and Sako 75 , 308.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    I might try to get aluminium bar and drill a hole through it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    Good luck with that, IMO ur only putting a lot of work on yourself.

    Did you even look at the tips in the hunting section? Plenty of photos there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Can do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭kunekunesika


    How do I find the hunting tips, with your sako 75??



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭J.R.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Which material would be the preferred material for pillars. Aliexpress seem to do tubing in all sorts of materials and sizes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    Why aliexpress?????

    You can get 6mm inside diameter tube at woodies and B&Q



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    I was hoping to put in a pillar with a thicker wall. I could score the pillar in order to create a better grip.

    Is aluminium the best material for the job?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    Remember your compressing the tube between the action and the trigger guard. It will take a lot of pressure before you'll damage that tube.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Most of the commercially available tubes seem to be made from aluminium. But they seen to have thick walls.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    You only need the same tube inside diameter as the action screws



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    I appreciate that. But if I had a thicker wall then I score it to get a better grip with the Devcon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    No need, the Devcon will stick like sh!t to a blanket. Rough the tube up with sand paper if you like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Would that be sufficient.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭clivej


    I just put the Ali tubes in, never roughed them up. Still there after 13 years and winning a UK championship with the Sako 75.

    IMO your totally over thinking this bedding.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Probably. Never did one before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭ejg


    Clive is right you are overthinking, The second epoxy bedding will in most cases be better than your first. Just get going. We bed a few hundred stocks every year even so it is fairly labour intensive and results might have very small flaws, we are still learning.

    My take. Brass Pillars are slightly better than alu just due to the heat expansion being closer to steel screws. Saying that we also use alu pillars in some cases. Hole inside the pillars we use 2mm larger than the action screw. After the bedding the action screw should be centre pillar and not touch any part of the stock in use. (centre the screw via tape etc in the pillars while bedding.) Outside diameter of our pillars are between 12 & 15mm. Carbon tube is another good pillar material. Our stocks have internal carbon pillars. Size of the pillars should be relativ to the hardness of the stock material.

    The rifle action is the heart and soul of the rifle, this should be positioned and bedded perfectly in the stock first, then floor plate or mag system at a second stage. We prefer doing it this way.

    Mix epoxy really well, after mixing remove most of the mix onto a second bowl or surface and mix again. You will see after curing there are soft spots in the first mixing bowl...

    Fully cure before release. 24hr is better than 12hr. Slightly warmer helps curing.

    Kiwi clear is mostly a good release agent however the are better professional release agents.

    edi



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    Why is the hole in the pillar bigger than the action screw. One would think that a hole the same diameter would be the correct way of doing it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Any binding between the pillars and the screws would lead to inconsistent stress.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭ejg


    Screw contact to the stock serves no purpose other than maybe split a stock. One of the reasons so many laminated/ plywood stocks split.

    edi



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