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January 6 Public Hearings

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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Truthiness trumps facts lol

    (CC really needs to get out of the dark ages and get the reruns on youtube)



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I always find it hilarious that with the hearings, on one hand you have sworn testimony under oath from people who were there, most (if not all) of them are Republicans, with supporting documentation by text/emails/phone calls etc, and backed up by hundreds of testimony hours and thousands of documents and other corroborating evidence in the background.

    On the other hand though, you have what some anonymous guy said on Twitter.

    And yet, some people see these things as equal, or even put more faith in the latter.

    Because the facts don't fit with their feelings, so they deny the facts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The kicker about that is they all started believing the election hoax because of all these suitcase ballot stories which were always propped up by Giuliani etc. as being "sworn testimony" etc.

    And here we are with actual sworn testimony and you can practically hear the scoffing



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Trump did not have the authority to deploy the national guard in Chicago, NY and Minneapolis, he was denied. Light foot is on record saying he didn't have the authority. The fact is the Dems enabled all that carnage so they could pin it on trump and ruin his reputation forever. Its a difficult reality to accept for some



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This has nothing to do with January 6.

    You can trust a Mayor talking to a reporter or the Secretary of Defense under Oath, it's your prerogative. I know what I'm doing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Deflect deflect deflect.

    It’s always someone else’s fault!


    The goons that smashed their way in were trump supporters.

    He caused the insurrection.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    That's because Governors can authorise the depolyment of the Nation Guard in their states under certain conditions, and the President cannot deploy the National Guard in states unless they invoke the Insurrection Act. However only the President has the authority to order the National Guard in Washington D.C, as Washington D.C is a federal asset under the control of the President at all times. Washington D.C is not a state nor is it part of one. The National Guard may also have been deployed through joint agreement of the Capitol Security, including the Congress Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms, and others. Both Pelosi and Mitch McConnell requested that they call in the National Guard.

    You're so very, very bad at this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Penn You're so very, very bad at this.

    Yeah, but to be fair, he/she is trying to defend the indefensible.



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    This is perfectly symbolic of what's wrong with politics today though..

    Just completely performative..everyone knows that calling it an insurrection is a joke, but takes part, feigning outrage..The feigned outrage negates anyone calling it out in front of a dumbed down population and a complicit media..

    And typically our local dem/cia/neocon representatives are pushing it..

    You wonder then how the Russians, who don't deal in this kind of horsesh1t are bringing the west to it's knees..



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is perfectly symbolic of what's wrong with politics today though..

    Someone coming in with complete nonsense, getting debunked, then taking it personally by throwing their toys out of the pram?

    Not that you can defend the indefensible, but I thought if you really believed in the 'russia/media/neocon' diatribe you just said here, that you would at least try.

    This failure to do so is happening in millions of conversations across the US and that's why it's sinking in.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw a report that Mike Pompeo is negotiating a closed-doors deposition too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Add in Mick Mulvaney, Trump's former Chief Of Staff (before Jan 6th, he left around the start of Covid).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,133 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Watergate began with the 17 June 1972 break-in. The investigation that followed lasted until 8 September 1974 when Nixon (who had resigned in August) was pardoned by Ford.

    The US House Jan 6 Hearings have been moving along, and well within the time frames of Watergate (although a technically different type of investigation).

    It was noted that most of the witnesses that testified under oath during the hearings have been Republicans, many from Trump’s administration. Those not getting pardons from Trump may be inclined to testify as the hearings continue (turning states evidence to save themselves). This happened during Watergate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    CNN Exclusive scoop: Trump-appointed DHS IG actually knew about the destroyed texts as early as May 2021 - over a year before he divulged this to Congress or the DOJ




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    NBC appear to be pushing the idea that FOX News is at least somewhat breaking with Trump and getting in behind Ron Desantis. Between that and the fact that an increasing number of Trump cronies appear to be cooperating with the investigation, Trump has to feel like the walls are closing in on him a bit.

    However, animals tend to be at their most dangerous when cornered. What would Trump do if he got desperate enough?



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    What would Trump do if he got desperate enough?

    Feck can he do anymore?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Quite a bit. According to the expert NBC had on, around a 3rd of Republican voters are 'the base' and their hearts belong to Trump and that share is still enough to win a primary. If Trump feels like he's being left to swing, he'll have no hesitance to pull the ripcord and turn them on the party if necessarily.

    That's not to mention going all in on riling up all the militia/paramilitary outfits who've emerged in the last few years.

    In short, if Trump feels like he's going down, he's going to try and make the process as unpleasant for everyone else as possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yeah, this is a coverup right?

    A senior forensics analyst in the inspector general’s office took steps to collect the Federal Protective Service phones, the people said. But late on the night of Friday, Feb. 18, one of several deputies who report to Cuffari’s management team wrote an email to investigators instructing them not to take the phones and not to seek any data from them, according to a copy of an internal record that was shared with The Post.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,517 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He still carries a vast amount of influence over his base and the party needs that. He also looks set to run again in 2024 and, like 2016, he only needs a few dozen percent to actually triumph in a crowded field. If few challenge him, the nomination is his.

    Then of course, there's the threat of violence alluded to by Briany.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Since the last hearing apparently Rupert Murdoch is done with Trump and he has pulled any kind of backing for him in the last ten days or so. There was editorials last week in the Wall St Journal and the New York Post openly criticising Trump and saying he is not the right person to run in 2024. So it looks like Murdoch has had enough of him and he's moving on.

    Im wondering what Pompeos motivation is to testifying and if he is going to be beligerent and dodge questions or open a can of worms. He wants to run in 2024 and this could be an opportunity to get Trump out of the race but at the same time he needs Trumps base to have any chance of getting the nomination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Interesting, if true re:Murdoch, but I don't understand why Murdoch would choose now as the point to withdraw support from Trump when you consider how toxic Trump has been for the last 6 years. Makes me wonder if Murdoch senses possible implication in the events of Jan. 6th or maybe wants to do something relatively wholesome before shuffling off this mortal coil.

    Anyway, good news if true. Would expect Trump to be angrily texting FOX News anchors demanding an explanation for this apparently sudden change in focus towards Ron DeSantis. Would the more extreme news channels that have popped up see a bump in ratings as Trump directs has base to watch those instead, and if yes, will FOX News have a change of heart if they see ratings decline?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    I reckon that is precisely it- after that last hearing Murdoch senses that there is criminal charges on the way for Trump so he is jumping ship now while he can, Murdoch hates backing a losing horse. Considering the New York Post is a MAGA paper it seems now Murdoch is throwing him under the bus

    As his followers stormed the Capitol, calling for his vice president to be hanged, President Donald Trump sat in his private dining room, watching TV, doing nothing.


    For three hours, seven minutes.


    There has been much debate over whether Trump’s rally speech on Jan. 6, 2021, constituted “incitement.” That’s somewhat of a red herring. What matters more — and has become crystal clear in recent days — is that Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop the violence that followed.

    And he was the only person who could stop what was happening. He was the only one the crowd was listening to. It was incitement by silence.

    Trump only wanted one thing during that infamous afternoon: to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to decertify the election of Joe Biden. 

    and the final sentence of the editorial

    It’s up to the Justice Department to decide if this is a crime. But as a matter of principle, as a matter of character, Trump has proven himself unworthy to be this country’s chief executive again.

    https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/trumps-jan-6-silence-renders-him-unworthy-for-2024-reelection/

    Then the Wall St.Journal had a similarly scathing editorial on Trump the following day, Murdoch has shifted his support for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It'll be interesting to see if this attempt at distancing from Trump will work. I don't think your standard MAGA hat is going to be too swayed by a withering article in the NY Post, though, as their radicalisation has largely been driven through alternative media channels, i.e. Facebook and Twitter. For a true distancing from Trump to happen, he has to lose a lot of grassroots support. I'm not talking about some Lincoln Project Republicans being against him, but large swathes of the base have to flip.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    A state doesn't need permission from the Potus to send in the riot squad so why weren't they deployed. I'm sure the committee will investigate because a lot of people would like to know why armoured units were standing idle nearby.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock



    People who never heard of an FBI entrapment scheme before will be crying conspiracy. . Here's a real conspiracy theory for ya...

    There was the time Maddow theorized that Trump was “curiously well-versed” in “specific Russian talking points”, strongly implying press briefings were dictated from the Kremlin. An American missile attack on Syria, Maddow concurred, could have been orchestrated by Putin himself. During a cold snap, the Russian government could shut down our power supply. Putin could blackmail Trump into pulling troops from Russia’s border.





  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I love when the camera shows hundreds of people breaching the capitol and then snaps the camera over to 4 whole cops.

    If you have more questions I strongly encourage you to watch the hearings.

    DC is Not a State. DC has no Governor.

    Trump did not order the National Guard.




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,405 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Joe Rogan isn't a subject matter expert on anything regarding this, and his co-host or whatever simply blurting out "antifa" doesn't tell us anything.

    This diatribe about Maddow and Russiagate has nothing to do with January 6. The only time I see Maddow cited is if she has some exclusive or scoop to offer. I don't understand why she's brought up here at all, total strawmanning.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Does the DC police force require Trumps permission to tackle crime? Who ordered those cops to stand back back and do nothing?



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