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China’s Army posts “Preparing for war!”

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭uptherebels



    You must have a weird definition of peaceful. He stopped the reporting of civilian casualties from drone strikes for a reason



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,396 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Abandoning the Kurds, so **** peaceful of him amirite



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    America's goal is to cause trouble and sell weapons....to think that there are people who believe that America would risk it's very existence for Taiwan 😂



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    The Americans might have seen sense and canceled the visit to Taiwan there is no mention of it on this official statement about the trip to the Pacific region.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    They won’t mention it for security reasons, tbh I’d have expect her to have been and gone and only met with senior politicians before it’s announced



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    For historical context, in the time immediately proceeding the Chinese intervention in the Korean war there were similar warnings from their state mouthpieces (Korean War - Max Hastings). Korea has been since Imperial times a country China deemed within its sphere of influence, likewise Taiwan. Perhaps they are bluffing or not, but once a certain momentum has begun it might become difficult for the powers to disengage before a conflict starts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭weisses


    She got wind of the fact that the plane needs kerosine to make it to taiwan



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Yeah cause it's not like they are threatening to attack nations around em are they? Then there's the belt and road initiative...poor auld China... It's always the pesky war mongering west isn't it ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Taiwan is internationally recognised as a part of China...as for "the pesky war mongering west" thats exactly what they are.

    Not only has the "pesky war mongering west" attacked and occupied parts of China, but also they have left a trail of mass slaughter and destruction in the nations on China's southern borders, starting with the Philippines, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia etc



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How would the US be risking their very existence? China is not ideologically driven anymore, and the leadership will not want to lose all their benefits/money/status, so the chance of China engaging in a WMD exchange is very very slight.

    The US has too much invested in Taiwan. They're not going to back down over it. Any war would be conventional in nature, and between the US/China, the US is better equipped to profit from such a situation. If anything, China is the weakest, simply because any war would exaggerate the problems they're having internally/socially.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Weak governance yet again from team Biden.

    You never take a backwards step against a bully.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Thats human nature either you take there stuff or they ll do that to you, believe me if those countries had the ability back then they d have done far worse to the West and its people. Ironically you are defending China for trying to do the exact thing to Taiwan that you are condemning the west for 🤣

    Taiwan is only recognized as a part of China largely due to the bully boy tactics of China, Taiwan doesn't want anything to do with China.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    First rule of negotiation- never make a threat that you’re not prepared to carry out. I guess you could read it two ways- Threat of Nancy going to Taiwan vs Chinas threat of hell unleashed as a result. It might be that they’ve both decided behind the scenes not to rattle each other’s cages anymore on this incident.

    But you’re right- appeasement just doesn’t work any more-how many countries will be force-ably taken over? How many “incursions” is too many? Is there such a thing as a red line not to be crossed or is that too limiting when it’s crossed?

    The old tactics of negotiation don’t appear to work any more and the West hasn’t developed an alternative playbook - there’s too many dictatorships and despots around who don’t care about diplomacy- China uses diplomacy when it’s convenient but then accuses countries of interfering with internal affairs when it doesn’t. We know Putin has the predatory instincts of a pedophile so no point trying to negotiate anything with him- he’s beyond reform or redemption and has long passed the capacity of trust.

    Agreements are broken before the ink has dried; we tethered our economic bows to Chinas cheap labour and lack of workers rights manufacturing capabilities and were stuck with that now, but we’re still allowing China to buy up precious natural resources, place 3rd world countries in massive debt in return for a super highway road that goes nowhere or simply allow them into our countries so they can steal genetically modified crop seeds that took billions to develop like in America - and all the time, China hides behind “cultural understanding” initiatives which makes it much harder to call their bluff- they use cultural understanding, appearing friendly and interested in developing trust, as a weapon to push their own agendas. They are, quite rightly as you say, bullies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    For centuries China tried to isolate itself from the world (apart from some honest trading), the great wall was built to keep the world out.They also once built a great ocean going fleet to explore...and promptly burned it when they found out what was out there!.

    They only eventually interacted with the world when it became obvious the world was never going to leave them alone.

    The history of the Philippines is a good example of the lack of interest China had in "taking there stuff" unlike the west.The Philippines has existed forever just a few hundred miles off the Chinese coast and has never been invaded by China...The nations that invaded the Philippines came from the other sides of the globe, Spain and the USA.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s a nice history lesson but what has that got to do with where we are now? For starters, most Chinese probably don’t know the half of their rich history because their god like leader has decided what they should learn instead. So to them all that matters is now.

    The future of the world is all that matters today - the balance of power is shifting like quick-sand to the degree that we’re seeing a very clear us and them situation and fear is the over riding emotion- diplomacy international agreements and cultural understanding initiatives have all obviously failed - bullets bombs military spending and defence seem to be top of the list of priorities for a lot of countries- that’s very worrying.

    We don’t have time for history lessons - China is far away from the closed land it once was- it’s keeping the west out in some respects but it’s invading other countries under the guise of cultural understanding while it steals the resources ideas and research and development of those countries ; Putin is brainwashing his people with talk of Make the USSR great again - which is nothing to do with history and everything to do with manipulation. I’d consider history if I though it could do some good but The minds of the people of these countries have been tainted by decades of indoctrination- what they are told to think, they think- North Korea is an extreme example but all dictatorships do similar in varying degrees of intensity and success.

    If only we could depend on “cultural understanding” - but the culture and mindset of these countries today, bears absolutely no resemblance to that of even 50 years ago no less 500 years ago



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,524 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Look forward 20 years. Putin has re-established the Soviet empire. China rules Asia with an iron fist. Liz Truss' successor has been in power for 2 decades with claims they have introduced a police state

    The UK decides to get into the action and looks to rebuild its own empire, starting with you know who....

    All this time the US has stood on the sidelines. Gradually becoming less significant on the international scene

    Of course it won't happen. Russia's behaviour is just a blip. Taiwan? No-one really cares about an island on the other side of the World.

    Or could it? Russia was moving towards democracy 2 decades ago. Before 9/11 a lot of people did not worry about the Middle East as it was someone else's problem

    And yes I know it's bordering on conspiracy stuff. I know a lot of this will not happen, because fortunately the US (and indeed the UK) don't stand on the sidelines



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    What are you talking about peaceful rise its constantly trying to subvert the west and undermine small nations to its own advantage, nothing peaceful about China nor does the "Zen" society you are talking about exist



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    With the way western society is going i wouldn't be surprised we are all bark no bite even though we have a powerful bite, we live in a hugs and cuddles society that wants to try and understand and help poor China and Russia, all the while they are operating on a "**** the west" mentality.

    Id rule nothing out yet and its only barely in the "conspiracy" bracket what you are saying !


    Id like to see a more unified and definitive response from the west as in spell it out good and clear to nations like Russia and China if you invade x country we will defend them 100% no doubt and unshackling ourselves from rules we only seem to be following.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whilst not only scaring the sh1te out of me with your not impossible predictions, it’s your final sentence that really stands out- I think all countries need to take more personal responsibility for their security and defence and where they don’t have the resources, to engage and collaborate with friendly countries who do and share the burden and responsibility.

    Ireland should ditch its neutrality - were European ffs, we have no neutrality- we can always offer ourselves as peaceful negotiators and state our preference for a diplomatic and peaceful resolution always over conflict, but we need to get off the fence for once.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Ireland is in a unique position where we could nearly get by without a military or very bare bones one because of our location and ties with the US and UK. But nations with real threats and close proximity with an expansionist country would do well to take the lesson the Ukraine is learning on board.

    I don't see any benefit in us ditching our neutrality and IF we are going to go as far as that its NATO we should be joining...but it would have massive consequences for the nation because we would have to start fulfilling roles we currently don't and our military spending would have to increase this would take money away from places it would be better spent. For no great advantage only having a military sitting there "just incase" when it would be highly unlikely to ever be needed especially in defense.



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  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In fairness NATO is what I was thinking- but investment in military or defence related areas means new skills and new jobs- no reason we couldn’t specialise in counter cyber terrorism or drone technology as our way of contribution - it doesn’t have to be all about soldiers and bombs



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I am not sure what they would do, I think they would definitely try to provide at least support for evacuation. But their existence is certainly not at stake, China hasn't the capability of taking any us pacific territory, let alone an invasion of the lower 48. They wouldn't even make it across the ocean.



  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    Oh really! When was Xinjaing conquered by the Han Chinese and incorporated into the Han Chinese empire?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    They have an interconnected history going back thousands of years...the Muslims there are also genetically part Han Chinese.The history between them is a very long book.

    No way in hell am I going to try and explain all of that here!...I suggest you google it and have a happy long read.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    China attempting to invade Taiwan would make Russias Ukraine invasion look a roaring success.

    Chinese aren't that stupid surely



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While Beastys post earlier mentioning a UK police state might have conspiracy theorists salivating at the mouth, by this news article it’s not far off


    Darren Brady, 51, has slammed Hampshire Police for 'impeding his right to free speech' after he was placed into handcuffs on Friday at his home in Aldershot for sharing a meme.

    Footage of the arrest was widely shared on social media and showed an officer who told Mr Brady he was being apprehended because his post had 'caused anxiety' and been reported to authorities. 

    The image Mr Brady retweeted was of a swastika that had been digitally manipulated and was made out of four LGBT pride flags.


    While i absolutely don’t agree with what he did-I also don’t believe he should be arrested



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,584 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users Posts: 971 ✭✭✭bob mcbob


    So a similar relationship between Britain and Ireland.

    It's like saying that Britain conquering and colonising Ireland, calling the enlarged country Britain. Then saying that Britain have never conquered and colonised anybody.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭maninasia


    He cant invade Taiwan now.

    Taiwan has a robust defense and military..it would take China six months at least to get their forces and logistics ready, and Taiwan and allies would be ready.


    Folks should learn more about how difficult it is to invade Taiwan.

    Taiwan is bristling with antiship missiles, navy and coastguard ships, mine laying ships, patriot missiles, hundreds of jets They have advanced radar systems that can see right into China and have excellent intelligence direct from spies in china abd satellites and info sharing from the US..

    https://youtu.be/3gHGHzi6edo


    If Ukraine had Taiwans military they would have beaten Russia already.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    He's in bed with covid. In the presidential pyjamas and still dreaming about the cancelling student debt yarn he spun to get elected.

    He's not the man to stand up to Putin or Xi. Its not his thing. Wasn't he fist bumping the Saudis last week.



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