General Star Trek thread

I wouldn’t credit Discovery with “reviving Trek” at all. Circumstance revived Trek. An existing hungry fan base and a new streaming service in need of content has kept it going, despite anything else.

Let's hope it never happens..

I don't think SNW and LD are beloved because they're optimistic and light-hearted, it's because they're actually good. If the gritty morally grey Star Trek series was good it'd be popular too but Section-31 would be an absolute train wreck.

RIP Nichelle Nichols, just seeing it on Twitter, 89.

As with pretty much anything in a big fictional universe, like Trek's, all manner of possibilities could make for good TV....if it's done well. One poster once mentioned a political drama with President Archer in the early Federation. It could work...if it's done well.

Hell, you could have a show solely focused on The Doctor trying to become a successful holo-novellist and everything that comes with that, and it would work.....if it was done well.

It's the same point I bring up everytime when we discuss newer Trek. Discovery could have worked if it was done well, and so too could a Section 31 show...but my instincts about that show's creation lead me to believe that it probably would not have been. It was born of Discovery's bizarre version of the spy organistion and I suspect might have been brewed as a way to keep Yeoh on staff to loan some of her star-appeal to that project. Pure speculation, but "the biz" do have knack of putting a lot of importance on what names you can sign verses the actually meat of your project.

I was never too much of a fan of Section 31 when they turned up in DS9 either. It was an interesting idea, but I felt that they needed to do something better than just have Sloan messing about with Bashir. There were some hints of cloak & dagger stuff in Trek prior to S31's reveal and it could have been interesting to see them weaved into that a bit. With a good team of writers, you could so something good there, but they do need to be good.

Or their own badge / uniform....or to allow Starfleet computers to actually identity S31 ships.

I'm not against the idea that they could be widely known,* everyone has heard of the CIA, FSB, MI6, etc, but having the equivalent of a CIA carrier group stretches believability too far. Shuttles or La Sirena sized ships would have been more appropriate.

*it is a major canon inconsistency that 100 years either side of that season of Discovery they were virtually unknown though.

Yeah, I agree. I think there is space for a morally interesting Trek. As I said elsewhere, DS9 is my favourite Trek series (Although SNW has had a banger of a first season of course). But yeah, there is absolutely space for a morally interesting Trek series: Something quite slow and even a bit grim. But NOT HANDWRINGING which is what we would get from the Discovery team. Well, wither handwringing or scenery-chewing campness or, god-forbid, both. You would have them walking around in black leather uniforms while twirling mustaches all the while, Lt Sarah Mc'Pointofview internally monologues about how she feels about sacrificing her morals (Oh and some innocent people or whatever. Personal morals more important) for the situation-of-the-week

I have said many times that DS9 could/should have ended on a downer. The Federation in ruins, The Dominion won. If any series had the balls to do that, it would have been DS9. (It wouldn't even have had to have had an impact on Voyager. They were the other side of the galaxy. Trying to get home. Not knowing that, when they got back, the mighty Federation was gone).

The next series could have taken place 100 years later. A very underdog Federation trying to rebuild with lesser tech and few allies. Doing what they needed to in order to rebuild. Good or bad.

The problem is, you need a worthy foe. They could certainly still use The Dominion. While there is peace, it's tentative at best. Have a sort of cold-war spy thriller series about covert operatives within The Dominion. THAT I would like to see. ALONG with the fun and excitement of SNW and LD.

I have said many times that DS9 could/should have ended on a downer. The Federation in ruins, The Dominion won. If any series had the balls to do that, it would have been DS9. (It wouldn't even have had to have had an impact on Voyager. They were the other side of the galaxy. Trying to get home. Not knowing that, when they got back, the mighty Federation was gone).

The next series could have taken place 100 years later. A very underdog Federation trying to rebuild with lesser tech and few allies. Doing what they needed to in order to rebuild. Good or bad.

I for One am glad DS9 did not end like that.

Wow this really passed me by over the weekend