Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

More people posting "evidence" they havent even read. Love it.

A decade is 10 years. mRNA vaccines existed in the 1990’s. It is currently 2022. Decades means more than one decade. There has already been 2 full decades this century, not including the extra few years, plus the years in the 1990’s. Decades is correct.

covid vaccines are now 2 years old. So not exactly new either as evidence shows that vaccines normally result in side effects within the first few months. That time has passed. Vaccines are very well studied, and the covid ones received unprecedented scrutiny since development.

No, I always said that the age doesn't matter. It is about the number of doses.

Since you are deliberately trying to misunderstand I attempted to explain it in more simple terms for you.

The numbers you are quoting above are from last year. I am talking about the most recent data.

I'm not looking for explanations. I'm looking for the data, recent or otherwise, that shows that, as per your claim:

"If a 30 year old takes 4 vaccines they are more likely to end up in hospital than a 30 year old who took none. Same for 80 year olds."

And we're talking about covid related admissions. Not going in for a broken leg, or someone who is 30 and vaccinated cos they are immuno-compromised versus a random 30 year old.

How does this relate to vaccine safety?

Lockdowns. This is seen as a potential contributing factor in the increased cases of hepatitis in children. We isolated everyone for a couple of years, opened up and exposed everyone to lots of infections at the same time. Who knows what damage that could do.

Also, diagnoses of illness was pretty much suspended for a long period of time. It was known from the start that would kill many people.

How if it is vaccine related, can this occur - Spain does not have significantly higher vaccination rates.

Half a dozen epidemiologists consulted agree that this is a very striking figure that, moreover, is unparalleled in other European countries. The statistics show a small rise in mortality in the rest of the continent, but much lower than what happens in Spain

I will excerpt of lot of text from the article due to translation:

The exact causes cannot be known or attributed to a single specific reason. The heat of these weeks, the covid, the consequences of the pandemic [there are indirect ones of many kinds, such as socio-health, less access to the health system due to healthcare difficulties or fear, the isolation that many older people have suffered], can influence the fragility of vulnerable people in relation to all of the above...

Salvador Peiró, director of research at the Fisabio foundation, has been thinking about these figures for some time, which already in June presented a huge excess over what was expected: 4,404 deaths, more than 10 times higher than the average for the month. He posits five hypotheses.

* The first is that there are many covid deaths that are not counted, something that seems "very unlikely". Quite the contrary: deaths of people who enter the statistics due to covid simply had a positive PCR, but the disease was not the only or main cause of death.

* Peiró's second hypothesis is one that is also pointed out by the sources consulted in the ISCIII: there are people who die due to the long lack of control in the management of chronic pathologies and the low detection of cancer in the last two years. “Again I find it difficult to fit in. On the one hand, I would expect to see more hospital admissions for decompensated diabetes, heart failure, and other classic chronic diseases. And the colleagues I ask tell me that they are not seeing this. They do say that there are more advanced cancers, but here the latency to death should be longer. It might explain some, but not all, of the excess mortality. And it should be accompanied by an uptick in emergency room hospitalizations due to chronic ailments,” he notes.

* The third and fourth hypotheses have to do with the fact that the MoMo is not measuring the excesses well. “They are models and they are probably not built for such a long-lasting heat wave,” says the epidemiologist, who also believes that he could perhaps be underestimating mortality in general, beyond temperatures. “But I checked the model and it seemed correct. I don't know if it could have any effect, but not that much”, he assures.

* The fifth hypothesis, which is perhaps the most plausible for him, is a mixture of all the previous ones. “But in two years a lot of people have died. Sick people, very old people who had died (from non-covid causes) in the months following their death from covid. The so-called harvest effect (the excess mortality in one season advances the deaths of the next) should mean that at this point we have a defect (not an excess) of mortality, which further complicates the interpretation”, adds Peiró. In his opinion, "the sensible thing to do" would be to advance the coding and analysis of mortality by cause to try to verify what is happening, if anything, because "at this time, mortality becomes relevant data for decision-making ”.

Nobody is ignoring it, it's been studied, studies have been posted over and over in here.

The vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. Nobody has shown otherwise.

It was giants. Don't Quixote fought them. And, like the antivaxxers, lost.

Have you seen any evidence saying it wasn't dragons?

Same logic..