China’s Army posts “Preparing for war!”

Markus Antonius · 03-08-2022 12:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119421960#Comment_119421960

Stop digging a hole for yourself, it's getting embarrassing.

But let's not go over the top. Even though they didn't shout about it from the rooftops, American forces were deeply involved.

The total cost to the US so far stands at just over $1bn. There have been 7,725 US sorties including 145 predator drone strikes. Without American involvement behind the scenes it probably couldn't have been done.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-15393497

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 12:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119421985#Comment_119421985

Yeah, Markus that article tells us what we all knew already, there wasn't a single American or NATO toecap on the ground in Libya. Gadaffi was taken and killed by Libyans who wanted him dead for decades.

Again, I'll invite you to put up any sort of evidence at all that the US had any hand or part or planning in the circumstances of his killing. You wont find it or be able to offer it up - because it's not true.

And a further invite to take your conspiracy theorizing to the appropriate forum.

03-08-2022 12:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119421328#Comment_119421328

There was no basis for intervention in HK. China was legally reacquiring it's own territory, and while diplomatically western nations could push for HK rights and freedoms, they were always going to be ignored by the CCP.

I realise that it's not a situation that people like to acknowledge, but it is what it is.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119421313#Comment_119421313

It's a different scenario. Ukraine was isolated by their own policies. They played with both European and Russian interests, not committing to either. There was no real chance for Ukraine to join either the EU or NATO, because there was never any realistic attempt to remove the barriers within Ukrainian governance and society.. ie. the corruption, and a wide range of other negatives.

Whereas Taiwan is not isolated, and has a lot of support within the Asian community. Most Asian nations will recognise that Taiwan is the perfect battleground to stop and destroy Chinese military forces... and they won't let Taiwan stand alone. And that's without the US actively joining in.

As for this whole "never again", that's rubbish. There are dozens of wars ongoing most of the time around the world. It's only that Ukraine borders Europe, that made this conflict actually relevant to Westerners.. but there's been heaps of wars that we've all ignored as being unimportant. Just as we've mostly ignored what Russia did before this, beyond a few shouts of outrage quickly forgotten as other causes become more important.

Markus Antonius · 03-08-2022 12:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119421967#Comment_119421967

I agree mostly with this but the expansionism is being facilitated by the greed of foreign governments (including Ireland) who want in on the flood of Chinese Yuan. Just look at all the deals Irish colleges are doing with them - the Irish government and others such as IDA, Tourism Ireland constantly over there lobbying for investment.

The key to defeating China is to stop all this BS - not having a US tyrant go over there to stir the pot.

Markus Antonius · 03-08-2022 12:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119421999#Comment_119421999

Stop backseat modding and report the posts you think belong in the conspiracy forum.

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 12:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422007#Comment_119422007

Nanci Pelosi is a US tyrant? 🤣

That's it lads, goodnight. I've heard enough nonsense for one evening.

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 12:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422013#Comment_119422013

It's an invite to put it in the correct place. The CT forum is there for a reason, to quarantine conspiracies in one place and those who want to indulge in them can do so to their hearts content.

Real Donald Trump · 03-08-2022 12:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422015#Comment_119422015

He's right, she is a warmonger

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 12:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422022#Comment_119422022

Anyone is perfectly entitled to land in Taipei and be welcomed by the democratically elected government of Taiwan if they see fit.

Warmongering is sh*t talk. You have the Chinese government actually issuing press releases threatening war, and you think a pensioner politician meeting other politicians is an act of war.

Grade-A sh*te talk. You're indulging autocrat babies brandishing nuclear weapons throwing a strop.

Give the Chinese some credit, they are (apparently) adults and are in control if their own behaviour and responses.

03-08-2022 12:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422007#Comment_119422007

I disagree completely.

The key to defeating China is to effect change from within, which means greater support of Chinese people who wish to live/study abroad but who will return to China slightly westernised. The difference between a Chinese national who has lived in western nations vs one of who has spent their whole lives in China, is rather strong. The differences are even more pronounced with the children of Chinese nationals who have lived abroad (the parents), vs those who haven't.

Sure, it is western greed that is driving closer ties with China.. but we're capitalist nations, and honestly, anything that boosts the Irish economy is good in my eyes. Hell, I'd be fully supportive of an arms industry here if it worked effectively.

However, the CCP is not going to fall due to foreign influence, or any kind of conflict with external forces. That's how martyrs are born. It will only be dismantled by Chinese people themselves.. and that will only come about when China's borders are open, and actively interacting with foreign cultures. A booming Chinese economy means electronics, the internet, etc for everyone.. and that means Chinese people being exposed to foreign culture, and less liable to be indoctrinated by the Chinese State system. I'd like to see China continue to succeed economically, because the CCP will **** things up all by themselves... as they've managed to do already with the Chinese infrastructure, the flooding, corruption within the banks, and covid.

fly_agaric · 03-08-2022 12:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422022#Comment_119422022

hmm could the CCP be "warmongers" for brandishing their ever-growing military willy and nascent global superpower status at their neighbour Taiwan all the time?

No, it is the veteran US politician who flies in for a quick visit who is wrong!

Markus Antonius · 03-08-2022 12:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422030#Comment_119422030

The US don't recognise Taiwan as an independent state. Do some research before you post...

This is an unprecendented move that even the US government doesn't support

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 12:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422047#Comment_119422047

Precisely. The same cast of characters are making the same fundamental (and perhaps wilful) error they made with Putin, that the Chinese Communist Party apparently have no agency, and them childishly lashing out at the House Speaker visiting Taipei (which has happened before btw) is like an act of nature or a dog biting the postman.

If the PRC want Taiwan, they'll have to take it by force, and if they want the US and others to cease interacting with Taiwan, they'll be waiting.

Real Donald Trump · 03-08-2022 12:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422047#Comment_119422047

stock related quick visit more like

Markus Antonius · 03-08-2022 12:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422038#Comment_119422038

You are effectively in direct support of Xi Jingping then. As all these foreign investments and education deals are his idea. I wouldn't mind if they were in good faith, but they are not. They are very controlled programs.

Look up "The Silk Road Economic Belt". It is incredibly sinister...

03-08-2022 12:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422047#Comment_119422047

Couldn't they both be wrong? Couldn't they both be pushing for conflict?

It's not as if Chinese reactions to this visit couldn't have been determined beforehand (when the original thought to do it was formed). They're pretty consistent with these kind of things.

We don't really need to have an aggressor and a victim in every scenario. Both sides can be equally responsible for pushing things in ways that shouldn't be pushed. It's no different from the US navy anchoring off the Chinese coast, or the Chinese doing military manoeuvres near Taiwan.

They're all intended to be provocative and get a reaction from others. This shite has been going on for decades.. from both the US and China. It's nothing new.

Overheal · 03-08-2022 12:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422052#Comment_119422052

do some research before you post

...

this is an unprecedented move that even the US government doesn't support

...

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcconnell-senate-republicans-express-support-for-pelosi-visit-to-taiwan-2022-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdbb-dGRcAc

"It's not uncommon for American lawmakers to go to Taiwan"

do some research before you post

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/patriotism-unity/pelosi-taiwan-trip-mcconnell-gop-senators-support?_amp=true

https://www.congress.gov/bill/96th-congress/house-bill/2479

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter48&edition=prelim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities", thus treating Taiwan as a sub-sovereign foreign state equivalent. The act provides that for most practical purposes of the U.S. government, the absence of diplomatic relations and recognition will have no effect.[8]

fly_agaric · 03-08-2022 12:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422058#Comment_119422058

They (China) could try to convince them peacefully without cooercion that (political) unification is the right way forward also, but the road the CCP seems to be taking China down right now is unlikely to be attractive to anyone. A similar problem to the one Russia/Putin have had with their "sphere of influence" I suppose.

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 12:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422065#Comment_119422065

Not just that, but the House Speaker (Gingrich) has visited Taiwan before.

So no, not unprecedented. That particular poster could do with doing his homework.

Overheal · 03-08-2022 12:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422075#Comment_119422075

Really wanna have your receipts in row with your ducks when you make a remark like that. :)

03-08-2022 12:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422062#Comment_119422062

You are effectively in direct support of Xi Jingping then.

Rubbish. I'm being realistic, and understanding what will work to effect change within China.

I guarantee you this. If the Chinese economy was to fail tomorrow, with massive unemployment, closures of factories, debt crunch.. you name it... they get it. Support for the CCP would rise dramatically, because foreigners will be blamed. Oh. Some party heads will roll, but it'll be a token few, with little actual change happening. Instead, we'll see a decade or two, where the CCP reconsolidates it's control over the population with it's indoctrination system (which seems clumsy to us, but works really well in China). The CCP revels in poverty. It's methods of control, manipulation, etc are all tried and tested from decades when Chinese people were poor... and a shattered Chinese economy would give them the chance to retake all those Chinese people lost to western culture.

Your way is simplistic, and has no basic understanding of Chinese culture.. or the established infrastructure of the CCP within Chinese society. You really should look beyond the bright lights of Shanghai and consider how the poor live, because they've consistently been the biggest supporters of the CCP.. and still represent the biggest section of Chinese society.

Look up "The Silk Road Economic Belt". It is incredibly sinister...

I know exactly what it is. It's an inept operation, full of corruption, and costly mistakes. It's been an incredible cockup.

Markus Antonius · 03-08-2022 12:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422065#Comment_119422065

25 republicans support her but the US president and Military don't? What is going on...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/21/biden-china-nancy-pelosi-taiwan-military/

xxxxxxl · 03-08-2022 12:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422087#Comment_119422087

No fan of Pelosi but The US military is supposed to be non partisan. And it's Biden saying their not happy clear from the article security issues that's all.

Overheal · 03-08-2022 1:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422087#Comment_119422087

Playing both sides.

25 Republicans and the Democratic Caucus majorly support her, that's Congress, our most political branch of government, essentially backing their congressional privilege to make diplomatic trips wherever the hell they want.

From the military's perspective, they're interested in keeping the peace, they would love if the trip didn't have to happen at all, but also if the military backed it what then, vs. what is already happening with fleet deployments - expressing support would just be additional escalation? What would it do to improve the situation?

You will find that a plurality of Americans are critical of the hold China has on Taiwan and elsewhere and they both don't want war but will not be bullied into being told where we're not allowed to go, what we're not allowed to see and who we aren't allowed to talk to. Hence the bipartisan support in Congress. The noise from the MAGA wing is electioneering only, they hate China's guts.

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 1:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422087#Comment_119422087

Here's another thing, China (and you perhaps) quite literally can't understand that the President cannot tell the House Speaker what to do. It's commonly reported from Western diplomats that when dealing with Chinese counterparts and they explain mundane democratic precepts like separation of powers, the Chinese side get genuinely bamboozled and think they're being tricked or lied to.

Overheal · 03-08-2022 1:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422118#Comment_119422118

This.

Any member of Congress, is enabled to an immense degree to execute their legislative rights. That includes the rights to go where they want, on official visits, paid for by Uncle Sam (and are scrutinized for frivolities) Normally this comes in the form of visits to warzones, eg. lawmakers may want to investigate if the executive branch is telling them the truth about reality on the ground. It can certainly also be the case of members going to Moscow on the 4th of July, or to CPAC Hungary, too. These are visits the POTUS has no right to veto.

fly_agaric · 03-08-2022 1:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422064#Comment_119422064

If I can explain, the rhetoric around this visit (mentioned on thread) seemed ridiculous and over the top to me given it is not apparently unprecedented.

I think I read this event had been "threatened" before and was put off due to Covid pandemic. It is a visit of an important US politician (but still not the President or Vice President or the like) and IMO that is not equivalent to USA sailing a military fleet down the Taiwan strait [to sit off China's coast?] or the Chinese sending one to Florida or the like.

I don't think the Chinese are as consistent as you say in their reactions. I think they are the ones changing + are getting worse. The angry responses to others failure to show deference get larger and it becomes more unpredictible as to what may cause a negative reaction as their power grows. Am I wrong about that do you think? I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what they do now.

They may have contempt for the US, don't really fear it any more or begin to believe they are equals in the world "superpower" stakes, but they will be disappointed if they think the US is going to show the consideration for their sensitivities they get off others, and increase the careful tip-toeing around them. Especially in context of the way Russia is right now trying to re-legitimise + take the harm out of conquest and genocide as policy tools of a sort, and China seem to be, maybe okay with that, not condemning it anyway that's for sure.

Yurt2 · 03-08-2022 1:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422052#Comment_119422052

I'm perfectly aware of Taiwan's international status. And I have visited it regularly over the years.

There is nothing within that status that prevents politicians of any stripe from visiting. It has hosted politicians from Europe regularly (including from Ireland), from the US and numerous other countries.

On the topic of unprecedented and research: As per other posts, I'd advise that you fire up your preferred search engine and seek out Newt Gingrich's visit to Taiwan in 1997 as House Speaker. So no, far from unprecedented. I'd also advise you familiarise yourself with the Taiwan Relations Act as well. So do some research before hitting the post button next time out.

is_that_so · 03-08-2022 9:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422132#Comment_119422132

They may have contempt for the US, don't really fear it any more or begin to believe they are equals in the world "superpower" stakes, but they will be disappointed if they think the US is going to show the consideration for their sensitivities they get off others, and increase the careful tip-toeing around them. Especially in context of the way Russia is right now trying to re-legitimise + take the harm out of conquest and genocide as policy tools of a sort, and China seem to be, maybe okay with that, not condemning it anyway that's for sure.

There is an argument to be made for it suiting Xi to ratchet this up. The Pelosi visit relegitimises the status of Taiwan and they are just very annoyed. They want to show they are but are not prepared to push any real buttons. Unlike Putin, Xi realises the complete disaster that would be for China. China too was surprised at the breadth and scope of the response to Putin's war and the economic fallout to an attack on Taiwan would ruin China for a vey long time and make them untrustworthy as a partner. For China face matters just as much. As for the propaganda well six months of the Putin machine has probably made us less worried than we would have been had there not been a Russian invasion. Ultimately China will play war games, Pelosi will leave and we'll return to that uneasy status quo.

Beta Ray Bill · 03-08-2022 12:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422465#Comment_119422465

Exactly!

China cannot afford a war in terms of economics. Nor can they win a war.

They rely to heavily on imports via the Strait of Malacca, which the US and Indonesia will cut off straight away. Fuel and Food Shortages would happen over night.

There will also be tariffs on all trade with China if they attempted to invade Taiwan.

No food, No money, no fuel = uprising, and that is the absolute last thing China wants.

Chinese military is years behind that of the US, Taiwan, Japan, Australia. They also have not been at war in a very long time, such to the extent that their military is unproven. Their air force is in effect 50+ years old. The bulk of it is Mig-21's and Su-27's licensed copies but with under powered engines.

Compare that to ultra modern F-35 and F-22 US planes along with over 1000 older F-16's and F-15's to bulk out, coupled with the US's power projection ability and it's clear China would have absolutely no chance in a War with the US (never mind with it's allies as well)

Likewise the US does not want to get involved in a war with China.

This is all sabre rattling

nigeldaniel · 03-08-2022 1:01pm

China's rhetoric will bring about an end to Chairmans Jin's leadership. I recall last year an snr communist party member from the south est writing in a local paper some very critical comments about Jin and the direction he was taking. that was a big change from the usual party lines so I half imagine if Jin wanted a war with anyone he would not have the support to declare it. He has to be content with posturing and loud chest beating. That's the problem with schoolyard bullies. Once they start sounding off they feel they have no choice but to keep it up. Talk about backing yourself into a corner! the same story with the zero covid madness Jin insists on. The rest of the world is getting on with life and they are stuck in a time warp. The Chinese community can see this and it keys them off.

faceman · 03-08-2022 3:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119423413#Comment_119423413

I wouldn’t be so sure. I’ve visited China a lot and the level of control and brainwashing is a sight to behold. The government is supported.

A Chinese friend of mine who has lived in Ireland for years and prefers living in the west than back home even told me he has no issue with Jinping. When Jinping had his tenure extended for life my mate said “he does a good job. Why change something that is working?”

Cluedo Monopoly · 03-08-2022 3:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424135#Comment_119424135

I lived in China for 2 months back in 2012. Normally a mild mannered bunch but the Taiwan question was the one topic that got them all agitated. Even the smartest of them got uppity when you suggested that maybe Taiwan should be a sovereign nation. I tested the water a couple of times and it was always the same response. They want it back.

timmyntc · 03-08-2022 4:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424190#Comment_119424190

No different to the Spanish and Gibraltar, Argentina and the Falklands, Ireland and NI, Serbia and Kosovo, Cyprus/Turkey

The difference here is that the US are actively trying to prevent unification because they fear China growing into a stronger power

is_that_so · 03-08-2022 4:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424462#Comment_119424462

It's not all about the US. Most Taiwanese and political parties support the status quo, and recognize that this is de facto independence through sovereign self-rule. In a 2020 opinion poll over 70% favoured independence in some form, either via the status quo or full independence with about 10% looking for a return to China.

Overheal · 03-08-2022 4:46pm

Complaining because Pelosi invited them and they declined

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1554545051904114689?s=20&t=ZmKPdQq0EGAIqD5pTdPkTA

Kennedy went to Moscow one July 4th with his GOP MAGA buds and they didn't invite the Democrats

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/kevin-mccarthy-criticizes-pelosi-for-not-taking-any-republicans-to-taiwan-neglects-to-mention-she-did-invite-them/

faceman · 03-08-2022 6:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424462#Comment_119424462

eh what are you smoking?

Is ireland threatening to invade NI to reclaim it? Is NI a sovereign country?

Is Spain threatening to take back Gibraltar by “any means necessary?”

Have to laugh at irish commentators who think that being a neutral country and having the history of the troubles of British occupation, they suddenly become experts on countries they know balls all about 😂

nigeldaniel · 03-08-2022 6:18pm

The Chinese seem to be missing the point. Taiwan, overwhelmingly, wants nothing to do with China.

03-08-2022 6:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424910#Comment_119424910

As opposed to the Irish commentators who are full on US imperialists.

the Chinese Taiwan issue is clearly a local issue. It has no relevance to the citizens of Texas. Even at the height of the British empire there were conflicts on the other side of the world that the British didn’t feel they would bother with. The US needs to wind its neck in.

as for Ireland - neither king nor kaiser.

03-08-2022 6:20pm

Don't think it has been mentioned on this thread, but one of the sanctions China has imposed or Taiwan is the ban on the import of river sand to Taiwan from mainland China. China is Taiwan's main supplier of this type of sand, I'm not sure if this stuff is majorly used by the Taiwanese semiconductor industry but I do know that this type of sand is majorly important for making concrete.

Unfortunately, there are only a few places in the world where you can get the type of sand that you need in order to make concrete.

nigeldaniel · 03-08-2022 6:38pm

Domestic tensions are high as the country's economy has slipped to the lowest growth in more than two years amid rigid Covid lockdowns and a slumping property market. Youth unemployment has soared to the highest on record. Social protests are rising because of a nationwide mortgage crisis and a series of rural bank scandals

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/03/economy/china-suspends-imports-taiwan-products-intl-hnk/index.html

Do people still think that the Chinese will always row in behind Chairman Jin... I think not. What a Chinese person says to another's face is not necessarily how they feel. China's current bluster and bellowing is evidence that the commy party is worried about their own people and is doing their damnedest to keep the fear in them. Pelosi's visit is absolutely nothing new and China knows this.

Its all about the boogie man. Evidence in spades that Jin is following Putin's line on management.

brickster69 · 03-08-2022 7:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424943#Comment_119424943

It is used to make silicone

Sandor Clegane · 03-08-2022 7:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424930#Comment_119424930

They no full well that Taiwan and it's people don't want anything to do with them, but dictators and autocratic regimes don't care much for what people want, the Ukraine Russia situation is identical really, Ukraine were moving more towards the EU/democracy because nobody with any sense would want to live under a regime like Russia's or be connected to them.

It must drive Xi mad having a flourishing democracy right next door to him, he's an out and out oppressor.

joseywhales · 03-08-2022 8:06pm

It is a bit ridiculous every thread has a few anti American posters whose entire geo political view is that Americans want to enslave us all, endless whataboutism "well how can they complain about war crimes when they have committed them", fine we will all live in a world where war crimes are cool because there is a precedent for them(clearly set long before America was even a country). And pejorative terms like "yanks" and pelosi is a "witch". Asserting that exercising your right to visit a country is warmongering and outright falsehood that the USA is not a democracy. This is all demented biased nonsense. The Americans must have pissed in your corn flakes when you were a child or something.

ceoltoir · 03-08-2022 9:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422004#Comment_119422004

Good points. I hadn't factored in the reaction of other Asian countries to a possible Chinese invasion.

I'm aware of all the other wars in the world. It's just that the Ukraine/Russian war is on such a huge scale and it could escalate quite easily.

MFPM · 03-08-2022 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425415#Comment_119425415

That reads like there is no legitimacy to pointing out the hypocrisy of US imperialism? Secondly, why is anyone who questions the US 'anti american', it's such a lazy, reductive argument.

03-08-2022 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424930#Comment_119424930

Which is not true. Public opinion has swung many times in Taiwan regarding having better relations with China, etc. In terms of reunification, you're right.. there's little interest, but again, public opinion has swung many times previously.

How HK turned out killed any chance of any real support within Taiwan for reunification, but prior to that there were periods where it could have been possible. Had HK been handled better, with the CCP promises being followed up on, I suspect we would have seen much greater interest in Taiwan about reunification, especially when the Chinese economy was doing so well. Now, though, there's no chance of it.

archer22 · 03-08-2022 10:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424930#Comment_119424930

Over a million Taiwanese live and work in the PRC and there are loads of Taiwanese owned factories and businesses operating there.

The two China's regardless of their political differences are very interconnected in trade and business.

03-08-2022 10:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425674#Comment_119425674

You know it's possible to be opposed to US imperialism and opposed to nations being invaded? Ukraine and Taiwan have no desire to be absorbed into Russia or China by invasion. There would totally be some posters here that would have downplayed Germany back in day.

Tonesjones · 03-08-2022 10:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424572#Comment_119424572

This is neither the Trump thread nor the Biden thread. Can this one not go the same route please.

But as I know you are an American I have a question about Pelosi or her job to be more exact of you could help. Is it a job for life kind of role or is she repeatedly elected in or whats the workings of it? The woman is 82 for Christ's sake.

(I could just google it but sure what I'd the point of conversation if we all just google everything)

China’s Army posts “Preparing for war!”

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