What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

No, there was no moving goalposts to suit myself at all, unlike your earlier attempt to say I was suggesting all of London was a kip, or that I’d be saying the same about Dublin in a few years, and now your attempt to equate immigrants who don’t require assistance from the State with immigrants who do, because they have been granted refugee status. Were you applying for refugee status in the country you immigrated to? If not, then it’s clearly not the same thing.

The point I was making that Government are looking to fill gaps in the labour market is because that’s the answer to the question you asked. You asked what’s the plan; that’s the plan. Granting refugees temporary status depending upon their visas is a change in existing policy for which Government has yet to provide any evidence. You’re not required to know all immigrants personally, and they’re not required to be vetted to your personal satisfaction, any more than the people in the country you immigrated to were privy to your personal circumstances.

I understand where you’re coming from in suggesting that anyone who commits a crime here should be on a one-way ticket out of here, but I’d prefer that if they commit a crime against society in Ireland, that they are also subject to Irish Criminal Law the same as anyone accused of committing a criminal offence, because the offence is committed against Irish society, not the country to which they are to be returned, and their crime against Irish society is likely to go unpunished. I’d rather they were punished as opposed to being let off the hook as if they aren’t our problem any more. It’s for this reason we have international extradition agreements with other countries too, in case Irish immigrants can’t behave themselves in other countries and violate their laws.

Yes, she was, because while they were having protests, it wasn’t until Margaret Cash spoke out that they gained any national interest. An ordinary person captured the publics interest by protesting without any of the resources the organisations you have mentioned, and managed to do more for homeless people with her protest than the numerous organisations you mention.

It’s because of her that the thousands of people turned out in support of the protests, as opposed to the small few who turned up before, and the small few who turn up at their protests these days, when things have apparently gotten worse than four years ago -

August 2018:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-family-finds-temporary-beds-after-night-in-garda-station-1.3591238

September 2018:

https://www.thejournal.ie/housing-rally-leinster-house-4222067-Sep2018/

October 2018:

https://extra.ie/2018/10/03/news/irish-news/margaret-cash-raise-the-roof-housing-protest

A full list of supporters, is hardly the same thing, which is why I made the point that a number of those organisations existed before RTR, who were receiving public funding to provide services and care for people in Ms. Cash’s position. It’s they who were doing the square root of fcukall, which is why the issue got to the point where Margaret Cash and her children ended up being desperate enough to do something drastic, because those organisations weren’t interested before then in addressing the issues or helping the people they claim to be helping.

You’ve no intention of having an honest debate. You tried to nitpick and I was having none of it. That’s all that happened here. The whole reason the discussion went in this direction is because of posters feigning concerns for Irish people who they claimed were being disregarded by Government in favour of prioritising the welfare of immigrants, and claims that they were powerless to protest.

When Margaret Cash protested, her life was ripped apart on social media, because the same people who complain about immigrants are the same people who complain about people like Margaret Cash - they don’t actually give a shyte about Irish people who are homeless, they’re just a convenient excuse to argue against immigrants. It’s just pitting one group in Irish society against another, which does nothing for the people who are complaining as though they’re worse off than both groups! That’s dishonest, it’s not even debatable.

I read the same post, and I came to the same conclusion as yourself, but not for the same reason. You suggested that most people still believe that the economy and society are doing well, accepting the claims by RTE or our politicians, that people aren’t angry enough yet, but you’re overlooking the simple fact that the revolution you speak of, doesn’t require a mass uprising, it simply requires a few people to get absolute nutters fired up enough to participate in a violent rebellion, overthrow the Government, and institute their own form of government.

I’m not forgetting Irish history, and I know you’re familiar with the Easter 1916 Rising and how that went down, and how it was portrayed in the media at the time, and how it was regarded among the various classes in Irish society at the time. Opinions on the effectiveness and the impact of the Rising were as divided as the nation was at the time. Same thing as happened with every rebellion or coup - many deaths, much suffering, and that’s why people are averse to the idea of anyone getting ideas about attempting to replace one regime with another regime which turns out to be much more oppressive.

One of the benefits of multiculturalism is that in a multicultural society the risk of an authoritarian regime emerging is almost entirely impossible. Multiculturalism actually protects democracy, and opposes oppressive authoritarian regimes, and discourages extremism from gaining any traction in society. It’s not because anyone believes the economy and society is doing well that they aren’t interested in rebellion, it’s because they’re doing alright for themselves. That’s one of the reasons why people believe that their Western liberal democracy is far superior to other systems of government in other countries such as China, Russia or the Stans, and why people from those countries want to escape from them - because they don’t want to live in a society which is dominated by an authoritarian pseudoconservative regime which is one of the hallmarks of a regressive society, not unlike what became of Iran after the Islamic revolution.

As much as Leftist, Liberal ideas like individualism give me a pain in my face at times, the alternative of an authoritarian oppressive ideology that isn’t Conservative but is just oppressive, is enough to remind me that I know which kind of society I’d rather live in. It’s not one that’s dominated by a tiny minority oppressing the majority of the population in order to maintain their dominance, becoming a political dynasty which would be significantly more difficult to remove from power, because the first thing to be sacrificed under their authority in order to maintain their political power, would be democracy.

We obviously have very different ideas of what we mean by multicultural if China, Russia and a whole slew of African countries are described as being multicultural 🤨

They’re not democracies either, they’re dictatorships -

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dictatorship-countries

Asians and Africans have no business in Ireland if they don't have a qualification. There is vast areas in both those continents to build and prosper. It's not our responsibility to help them either

Qualified or have the graft to be qualified same thing. You know what i mean. We don't owe the world anything. White privilege is an American concept it doesn't apply here. We don't need thousands of middle aged men from Asia lounging around their chosen suburban ghettos. We don't need thousands of useless Africans that have no respect for themselves or us. We got codded on our way up. Before you go taking the easy route and calling my racist etc. Rent a house on Airbnb in one of our African ghettos. No shite talk out of ya. Do it. I guarantee you, you'll question your view on immigration.

Russia and China are multicultural by any accepted definition: population groups of different cultures, religion, language and even race. One of the highest percentage of muslims in Europe is in Russia - 6.5%. Higher than France and UK.

African countries like Rwanda have population groups that are so different that they feel the need to massacre each other.

That was precisely my point. Multiculturalism not only doesn't guarantee democracy, but most of the bloodiest dictatorships are multicultural.

That's the only type immigration Ireland needs to experience at the moment.