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Sabina Higgins Letter to Irish Times calling for ceasefire on Ukraine

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  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    True. MDH accent. It's so affected. I've never heard anyone from Galway, or any part of Ireland, speak like he that. Does he think it makes him more scholarly..



  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭tooka


    I have no time for either Higgins as they are both obnoxious champagne socialists. i don’t agree with what was wrote, it is up to the Ukrainians decide their own faith.

    but she should not have to apologise for giving her opinion , that is ludicrous. She is not president and should be able to give any opinion she wishes even when if that opinion is wrong.

    The people defending her and calling for an apology need to come back to reality, we live in a democracy and free speech is important to sustain the democracy



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mea culpa.


    Sufficient scolding now that Mickey McD has weighed in: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/08/03/sabina-higgins-was-just-wrong-to-write-that-letter/

    "These recent controversies did not occur during the President’s first term; there is no greater licence to breach proprieties or stretch boundaries beyond limits in a second and final term."

    So, we'll have to wait a bit longer for Ivana to have a crack at the Aras. He's safe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The issue is that she used the presidential website to amplify her opinion. She isn't president and the spouses of public figures shouldn't be using their spouse's position to promote their own opinion.



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    Has she now re-morphed from being Sabina Coyne to being Sabina Coyne-Higgins to being plain old Sabina Higgins?

    Alternatively, Is it possible that Weeshy is a bigamist?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭GalwayMark


    This needs to be clarified in a future update of the rules pertaining to presidential spouses so we can avoid future missteps.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's an excellent piece by McDowell.

    I particularly enjoyed the passing sideswipe which implicitly links Dame Edna with the likes of the Wallace/Daly combo and the PbP morons.

    .....Well, we know that Putin has support from the usual Irish cohort of useful idiots that always supported the historical position of the Soviet Union and still harbour hatred of liberal democracy from a Marxist-Leninist perspective. They still exist – sullen and resentful. They did not need to be purged in some way or publicly vilified for their support for the terror of the communist regime in Russia. A liberal democracy like ours simply assumed that some sense of shame might rid them of their malign aims and moral idiocy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    That’s a scathing piece, where did you come up with the ‘Dame Edna’?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    I saw Dame Edna on BBC 4 over the weekend and it struck me that the resemblance was uncanny!

    A subsequent visit to Dame Edna's website* convinced me that Sabina Hyphen-Higgins was moonlighting!

    • "Dame Edna Everage is probably the most popular and gifted woman in the world today: housewife, investigative journalist, social anthropologist, talk show host, swami, children’s book illustrator, spin doctor, poetess, enthusiastic tantric sex addict and Icon...... Dame Edna is the founder of EdnaCare (Switzerland), which leases her services worldwide. In the early 1980s, she founded the internationally renowned organization, Friends of the Prostate, which organizes The World Prostate Olympics. .....
    • Her motto is: I'm sorry, but I care."




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    There is enough to be critical of without taking swipes at her appearance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,232 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    but she should not have to apologise for giving her opinion , that is ludicrous. She is not president and should be able to give any opinion she wishes even when if that opinion is wrong.

    Her opinion wasn't wrong, it was grotesque.

    She pontificated through fúcking poem that Ukrainian's should "quit thy foolish ways".

    Ukrainian men and women laying down their lives and limbs to stop a murdering regime from executing and mass raping their friends, family and fellow citizens.

    Then she had the fúcking audacity to claim that she couldn't fathom how anyone could have an issue with her publication.

    She is a national embarrassment, and if the President had an ounce of respect for the office or for the people of Ukraine he would apologise on her behalf, because it's plain as day that her unbridled arrogance won't permit her.

    The sooner these pair of life long free loaders are gone, the better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,718 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well, he does dress in a Tweed Suit so I guess he puts it on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The whole thing is very disappointing for people like myself who had admired the Higgins presidency.

    The letter is simply appalling, disgusting. It gives no extra responsibility for the conflict to Putin over Zelensky, to Russia over Ukraine.

    The response to the criticism is nearly as bad, saying she is dismayed that there was such a reaction to a call for peace; as if the people criticising it love war ffs, as if the Ukrainian men at the front line would rather be fighting than at home.

    Like many others I was a huge admirer of Michael D Higgins, always considered him a fantastic representative. But he seems to be basically okay with this childish dismissal of the Ukrainian struggle. I think many more like me who voted for him twice will be very disappointed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I think it is based on the naive belief that some on the left have that all people are fundamentally good. That Putin has legitimate concerns and is reasonable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think this story is beginning to slowly deflate in an unresolved way. A good political crisis requires a good one-two punch but there hasn't been a follow up of note here from the media.

    Unless something comes out in the next 48 hrs the story is over, even though the presidential couple have been badly damaged by it.

    I suppose they now have a choice of doubling down on statements that conflict with government or revert to ribbon cutters in the background. Given the coverage, one feels patience is now thin with them in Government circles at this point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    M Martin has said his government is not embarrassed by it. All is well there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is also a reasonably coherent assessment of many of the contributions to this thread.

    "Social media was made for this, particularly the hot takes – aided by the bot swarms (with Irish names and risibly pro-Russian tweeting histories) – supporting Ms Higgins’s freedom-of-speech and her call for a ceasefire"

    However, the most coherent piece was this:

    "In content, it was just another well-intentioned, anti-war view placing a baffling faith in diplomacy, unsupported by evidence, context or constructive suggestion. As a letter to the editor it wasn’t very interesting or enlightening.£

    Ouch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I think Martin has acted very well to put down a marker.

    ""Sabina Higgins has clarified the situation in terms of her statement. I think the President also, to be fair, reiterated his strong condemnation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine," Mr Martin said.

    "The Irish Government's position has been consistent from the outset and remains the position that the invasion is both illegal and immoral and is a terrible act against the people of Ukraine.""

    Very firmly put the two useful idiots back in their place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,844 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    A bit OT for the thread - but Paddy Power currently has Gerry Adams at 100-1 for next president, but John Finucane at 14-1 and Lynn Ruane at 20-1. Seems very odd

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    At least they could have called the Letters section "The Sabina Monologues" (too late?)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭boardise


    Neither must it be forgotten that neo-Gaelic Bard and Chieftain Higgins deceived the people when he averred that he would be a one term President. A pompous pretentious poser and nasty piece of work through and through.

    Plus his abject failure to attend the centenary church service in Belfast last year shows his shiftiness and hypocrisy. He claimed he couldn't go because the event had been 'politicised' .

    This from someone who has singlehandedly politicised the Presidency for his own ideological ends.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Look on the bright side. Ireland has no honours system. Otherwise they might have been lord and lady Miggledy of Phoenix Park. What is interesting is how rapidly the media changed from being being unquestioningly supportive of the pair to being quite hostile. They're no longer the media darlings they were even as recently as 2018.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb


    Mr Martin added that Ireland's position "along with others in the European Union is unequivocal that Russian should withdraw, at a minimum, to the position before the war started".

    is it really? that's not full withdrawal???



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,857 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I think the fact that the President has seemingly become more political in the last year or so may have put some people off. One or two of his speeches have sounded like he is having a right go at the Government, almost as if he is an opposition TD and not the head of state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 835 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    There are far worse people that would probably have received honours if we did have a system, e.g. Haughey, Liam Lawlor, Ray Burke, Michael Lowry, Conor Cruise O'Brien, etc. Higgins and his wife are virtue signallers. They don't cause active harm to society in the way each and every one of those others did. They are at worst guilty of bad politics.

    You're right about the media turning on them in relatively recent years. I wonder why that is. Higgins politics haven't changed in the slightest. He is consistent (consistently wrong on some issues, I and others would argue).



  • Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Having a go at an under-performing government on several societal issues should be classed as a good thing no?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Had no problem with other statements from the Aras, but genuinely disgusted at that letter being published on the Presidential website.


    If people have read about it but not read the actual letter they should try to do so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,856 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It could be but constitutionally it's not on, and he knows it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Where arevthe bombs manufactured? Now please stop being obtuse



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