Sabina Higgins Letter to Irish Times calling for ceasefire on Ukraine

I wonder if Michael Martin and Bojo had a quiet chat after David Trimble's funeral.

Cos it's interesting that the soundings he is making are in line with some recent opinion pieces in the UK establishment press, the Mail and the Guardian (if you don't think the Guardian is part of the UK establishment, at least as regards its more mature commenters, you're naive). See Simon Jenkins piece in the Guardian and Stephen Glover's in the Mail. Very much pushing the 'Ukraine will have to accept a peace deal' line.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11078565/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Corbyn-charge-Russian-flag-fly-Kyiv.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/03/taiwan-nancy-pelosi-visit-ukraine-us

I suggest that all at the Arus were in on it - ie especially MDH and most senior staff. Why am I saying this. The Arus website is a very very serious conveyance mechanism to communicate with the public at large and it’s contents are therefor available to domestic and international audiences. So there must be very tight rules governing what goes on it - eg information going on it has to be run by more than likely the president but most especially the most senior staff. I would also expect that Information being put up on the site has to be done by a dedicated staff member and not by anyone else - maybe except for the president - in case the ‘ First Lady - goes rogue, is not feeling well , etc. it beggars belief that Sabina herself can rock up with anything she likes go to her computer and and I put said statement and the first Ml D and all Arus staff members hear about it is when they open their computers to see what is the latest on the ARus web site. COMEON

The leaders of France, Germany and Italy are Kremlin lickspittles?

Okay.

I think this thread has jumped the shark.

Ireland isn't even in NATO but rando forum posters are now accusing the leaders of Europe's biggest countries of being in Putin's pocket because they've raised the possibility of a compromise peace.

Perhaps now isn't the time for a ceasefire but lads calm down, as Zelensky will absolutely accept a ceasefire *if and when it suits him to do so*.

If that happens will posters here be like "It's 1943 and Zelensky has surrendered!!"

No of course not, they will just accept it.

No amusement at all @markodaly , Disgust at the absurd carry on, but time to move on, it's Done, Dusted, over, thankfully but NOT forgotten.

I'm not naive enough not to accept Justified questions of a Tiny error re the Aras Website, but the rather silly Kerfuffle, balderdash & codswallop from unheard of Senators (apart from the one we both know of 😉) embarrassing, they've clearly never viewed the Aras website before jumping head first without a paddle to make eejits of themselves.

#donedustedover

MM and LV, the serving and ex-and-next Taoiseachs have more respect for protocol and the dignity of the President's office than his wife does.

Unlike her they recognise that these matters are better not aired in public.

Nice try though.

I don't think the Allies should have sued for peace with the Nazis. Therefore what? The US, Britain, France etc. are not at war with Russia.

Smaller countries fighting bigger countries have to sometimes make compromises.

Finland sued for peace with the USSR and ceded territory during World War II.

Finland was very isolated in WW2 and had no natural allies.

The main reason Ukraine doesn't even need to sue for peace (or surrender to Putin) is because it has the full backing of NATO and other western countries.

Well said 👏 but let's not let hypocrisy get in the way 😏

I thought this Ironic this morning, a national newspaper editorial calling for peace , heaven's above ..