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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The first part of your post mentions kWh then you go on to talk about kW.

    The charging soles of 7kW at home versions getting 6 kWh at your parents are 2 different units of measurement.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    What do you want to know.

    Get charger, plug into car.

    All the fancy branding and they still deliver the same electricity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭micks_address


    im using the we connect app which shows the kw power via the charge and the time left.. at my house its 7kw from the eli charger and 6kw from my parents eo.. which is more than enough for the few times a year we visit.. still twice as fast as granny charging



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I'm just about to pull the trigger on a Wallbox Pulsar Plus and it will meet the need for my Zoe ze40 nicely. What happens however if I add a newer EV that takes a CCS input? Will the one chargepoint be able to satisfy both charging methods?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    CCS is for on the road DC charging. You don't use that at home.

    Your home charge point is AC and will work on all new EV's (i.e. any EV with a Type 2 socket).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    So I guess that's my question. Do the modern EVs that take a CCS input accept an older-style type 2 input as well?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    There isn't an older style type 2.

    There is type2 and type 1

    type 1 is the old Leaf.

    type 2 is in every new EV and is in the newer leaf since 2018 so pretty much every EV now.


    So, if you buy a Type 2 charge point it will work on every EV except those EV's that have a type 1 socket which is really just the first gen Leaf. Everything else will work with it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Your mixing up charge ports.

    99% of EV’s take Type 2. It’s the standard years now and the Type 2 plug from a years old Leaf is the same a the type 2 plug on a brand new Tesla.

    Its like asking will the plug on my new Smeg Kettle for the sockets on my 20 year house. Nothings changed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,766 ✭✭✭cython



    More info here but basically CCS is a standard for both AC and DC charging via the one socket on the vehicle (hence Combined Charging System) and the current CCS connectors on DC chargers conforms to the Type 2 connector, as do Type 2 home charge points (and public AC ones), albeit the latter obviously don't use the DC pins provided for in the standard. Hence there is no "older-style" Type 2, rather Type 2 and the DC CCS connectors here are part of the same standard, and thus the same "age".



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Just to be precise, which is why I asked - I learned a CCS port is a modified type 2 port which two additional connection points which the likes of the Wallbox Pulsar will simply ignore. What I was looking to verify was that the standard type 2 ac cable would simply plug into the upper part of the CCS port and not connect with the rest of the socket.

    Thanks for the replies lads.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Thanks - that was the reply I was after cython cheers.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yes. You are over complicating the responses though.

    The type 2 cable doesn’t touch the bottom half of the ccs port. There’s a cover on it and that stays in place unless your fast charging using a ccs Charger.

    Anyway it will all become apparent once you are doing it regularly and it will become second nature.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Hi, just out of curiosity how much did ESBN charge you to upgrade their tails?

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭micks_address


    169 euro... they didnt upgrade.. its a standard charge to swap new tails into esb meter.. ev installer put in new tails but wired to a junction box in the meter box for the esb to wire into the meter so there was no power interruption



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Thanks for the information. One of my colleagues was offered a charger by a relative and is asking me about costs but from the photo they showed me it looks like both incoming ESBN tails and consumer unit side tails will need to be upgraded and I reckoned it would cost a good bit more than the €600 grant, even with the 'free' charger.

    I'll tell them to get a quote anyway as no harm in asking. 👍️

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭micks_address


    My upgrade of tails, earth rod and ev charger install cost me 1250 from ev power. I supplied the charger.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭deadl0ck


    Hi all,

    I've been reading back through this thread trying to get information, but there is a lot of discussion and information is well spread out so I though I'd ask the question here, hope that's OK.

    I'm thinking about getting an EV (currently looking at the Kona 64kWh) and as a result I need to start thinking about charging.

    I'm living in the midlands in a rural area (no houses within 100s of meters) and have electricity running across to my garage from my main house. The garage has its own fuse box also so I'd be thinking of putting the charger on the outside of the garage.

    I would not plan on moving the charge point in the future, so a fixed point would be fine.

    I've literally just starting to look and here is the first place I came .

    So my questions:

    • Any recommendations for installers ?
    • Are there different types of chargers etc ? I don't want anything fancy TBH - just something to deliver enought electricity to the car safely and as quickly as possible ?
    • What ballpark price am I looking at ?

    Thanks !!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    Odometer would be very unfair to rural or commuter dwellers - its the cars in the city that are the main polluters and also where you'd like to reduce use.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The current taxation system with fuel duty is already unfair to rural and commuter dwellers (and I fall into both categories). Odometer is the next nearest equivalent since you can't directly tax electricity used to charge EV's.

    ULEZ charges are useful to tackle city usage and I suspect only a matter of time before we see it introduced here in Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    The garage has its own fuse box also so I'd be thinking of putting the charger on the outside of the garage.

    Your first issue will be determining if the wiring feeding the garage is up to the job of adding a 32A charge point. Good chance that its nowhere near good enough. Alot of garages would be designed to just run a few lights and sockets. Adding a constant 32A load to that just wouldn't work.

    You would then need to run a new cable from the main consumer unit in the house to power the charge point. You need to get your electrician to look at the garage cable and tell you whether that's required or not.

    Any recommendations for installers ?

    Any electrician can do it. Just use your local trusted spark. Dont go looking for EV specialists. You're just paying a premium for nothing.

    Are there different types of chargers etc ? I don't want anything fancy TBH - just something to deliver enought electricity to the car safely and as quickly as possible ?

    Basically smart charge points and non-smart. Smart adds things like app support, software updates, Solar PV integration, load sensing etc.

    Non-smart will charge the car at the same rate as smart, you just have less control over it. If you have a heat pump or electric shower you would need a priority switch for the non-smart charge point. The smart charge point won't need a priority switch so that narrows the gap in terms of cost as a priority switch will be upto €200.

    The main choice you have is tethered or un-tethered.... i.e. cable already attached or not.

    Bear in mind that come Sep the SEAI plan to only grant aid smart charge points so your hand might be forced there.


    What ballpark price am I looking at ?

    There is a €600 grant. Charge points have a wide range of prices from about €400ish to crazy money. The install costs will depend on your specific circumstances, like does a new cable need to be run to the garage. A simple, no complications type install would be ~€300 ballpark so you take the charge point and install costs and subtract the grant and it would cost you a few hundred all in.

    The big health warning is when your spark looks at the job and sees that you need extra work like a new earth, upgraded tails, run a cable to the garage etc etc.... you could go into 4 figure install costs then.... so it really does depend and you won't know until you get some quotes.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭micks_address


    couple of things to get checked - how old is your wiring? If older than 15/20 years you may need heavier wires running from your meter to your fuse board -

    costs can vary a lot based on what you need done to existing wiring. I can give you my two examples. At my semi d in dublin 40 years old - I had to get wires upgraded from meter to fuse board, new earth wires ran in - new earth rod.. ev installer charged me 1250 for this work as well as installing my ev charger which i supplied ... charger cost me 750 from vw.. so 2k total minus 600 euro grant which im waiting for seai to send me in next few weeks to my bank account.. its nothing fancy but connects to the internet for updates and has basic app integration with the vw car app.. at my parents house... rural northwest.. i picked up a secondhand eo min pro charger on adverts for 300 euro. Basically a socket only.. they had a local electrician fit it for 160.. they didnt claim the grant.. so cost 460 in total.. there's a certain grant inflation to prices... the chargers put out a fair but of power at 7kw so its worth having your wiring right for it..


    i used ev power ireland to do our install - they are in ashbourne i think and were fine.. i had two other local electrician's look at the job - one said they didnt want the hassle of running in the new heavier wires and the other just never got back to me with a price..



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭deadl0ck


    Thanks for the quick replies !

    OK - so I didn't realise about the 32A load - so I could change it and put it right beside where the ESB enters the house, or beside the back door where that main fuse box is (just thought that outside the garage would be tidier).

    The house is only 12 years old so the wiring should be good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭choo choo man


    Hi All,

    I received a letter from the ESB stating that my house will be upgraded to a smart meter in the coming weeks. Next year i would like to connect a car charger to the meter as i hope to get an electric car next year. Can i get a connection for a charger installed at the same time as installing the new meter? This will allow me to get a charger installed possibly next year .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Thumper Long


    Smart meter is completely separate to an EV charger, I don’t know enough but the knowledgeable here will tell you to reject the smart meter and if it suits your usage get a day / night meter if the sums add up



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,940 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    As Thumper said, politely reject the Smart meter as you’ll need the cheapest cost which is currently night rate and you can’t currently get that with a Smart Meter

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Who quoted this and what county?

    I have existing Type-1 in place but might extend the line by 4 or 5m to reach the M3 charger port easily. Getting a Zappi2 or similar for €650 after grant sounds alright to me.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    EV Ready for installation in Dublin.

    So far they're the only place to give me a discounted price so far, only other two quotes I've got are standard prices but there will obviously be less labor with pre-wired. They were also the only place to get back to me within 24 hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭ElitesTeam


    Can someone give some advice on this.

    I got a second hand ABL charger (32 amp) flashed it. I got an electrician to quote for install. He says it will be very expensive as a part he needs is €200 load balancing with electric shower. I was under the impression that €400 inc labour would do it. He did seem to keen on the charger as it didnt have built in things like load balancing or something. He didnt give me a quote yet but didnt sound too optimistic and tho a new charger might be better off.

    Should I give up on this charger and get a newer one OR get a second opinion?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    You need to distinguish between a load balancing option or a simple priority switch option which the 200 extra looks like.

    Priority switch, if car is charging, will prevent shower from running, or vice versa, depending on the setting.

    Load balancing, which is done in the charger will reduce power to charger if shower comes on.

    The ABL does not have that as you need a CT on the mains, back to the EV charger, to track the overall load and keep it below the house fuse limit.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    The ABL unit cannot load balance from memory.


    You need a priority switch that means when the shower turns on, it kills power to the charger to stop your main fuse blowing.

    €200 sounds correct.



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