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Cork Area Commuter Rail

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,718 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Well, this is surely a good thing.

    But (ya, you knew it!), I used to commute on the Kent to Little Island rail line every day, and it was never that busy. The people who prefer to drive through the horrendous traffic to Little Island will continue to do so. I would much prefer if they doubled the frequency of the bus to the airport (supposedly one every half hour but seems completely random to me).

    And, yes Sherlock, I no longer work in Little Island, but the airport business park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Yeah there'll be lots of near empty trains chugging on that line outside the morning and evening commutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭thomil


    At first certainly, but if they manage to keep this service pattern up, it will attract more passengers in the future. One thing that should happen though is the provision of additional bus services to Kent station to allow for easier transfers. Right now, I think only the 205 and 214 serve the station on a semi-regular basis. The bus stop at the south side of the station has enough capacity for extra services and I don't think the old main bus stop on the north side of the station is used at all anymore, so the space would be there.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    it's excellent news. now if they'd only add a late night service (just bring back the old 23:15 and 23:30 trains).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The last train to Midleton is at 22:15. Ridiculously early.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?



    Surely Cork to Midleton or Cobh has demand for a late service. Even a 11:45 on a Friday/Saturday would suffice!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Agree with the above - a late night service would be very welcome and used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    It takes a while for new public transport services to build up ridership, that's the case everywhere. If empty running persists measures to reduce road use should be implemented



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    Well as a regular to daily user of the services i would say just before covid the station car parks at Little Island and Glounthane were pretty full alot of the time. Some of my work colleagues coming from east cork would drive to Little Island or Glounthane rather than using the nearer midleton or cobh, simply because the frequency at little island and glounthane allowed them more flexibility. So these users will hopefully take advantage of the increased frequency.

    I think a park and ride east on the line at dunkettle with the increase in service frequency would be a massive boost and encourage alot of people coming down the M8 to park up and use rail if their final destination is city centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    There was talk initially of incorporating a P&R at Dunkettle with the works going on there at the moment on the interchange. But I think that got knocked on the head in favour of a later delivery per CMATS. Missed opportunity.

    Post edited by namloc1980 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    This is great, a lot more flexibility now for using the trains, something that will hopefully lead to increased use. Fully agree with the calls for later trains, even just on Friday/Saturday would be a huge benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Preliminary tender for the double tracking to Midleton has been issued on etenders:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭timmyjimmy


    Carrigtwohill IDA needs a stop!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Under Bus Connects, 15 of the 44 bus routes will terminate or stop at the south south of Kent Station (Alfred Street extension)


    7, Mount Oval - Kent

    12, Carrigaline - Passage West - Kent

    13, Airport - Park & Ride - Kent

    13A, Haulbowline - Ballygarvan - Kent

    13B, Kinsale - Kent

    15, St Stephen's Hospital - MTU

    16, Cloghroe - Kent

    20, Bessboro - Kent

    21, Lower Dublin Hill - UCC

    23, Collin's Barracks - Deerpark - Park & Ride

    30, Ballincurra - MTU

    31X, Youghal - Parnell Place

    41X, Haulbowline - Kent

    42X, Fountainstown - Kent

    51, Knockraha - Parnell Place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,368 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well they started the work on the line this morning after having had ballast on the site of the old tivoli station for a few weeks and then rails appeared on the same part this week. They had tied the cables back to the wall on the side of the track(by the houses) last week and this morning they were working on the level crossing and the track was lifted between there are the skew bridge on the line out of cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,368 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Apologies if some of the photos are upside down but these were taken yesterday evening and show the work that’s been carried out since Saturday. The level crossing has also had work done on it.

    edit: again sorry lads I’ve tried to get the top two the right way around but no dice it seems. Anyone have any tips as to how to fix them.

    Post edited by Itssoeasy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    What exactly are they doing in this time? I'd have no clue about the reasons for it. Good chunk of work done, is it only daytime work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Ah I'd have thought that the tracks that were there (coming from cobh/midleton lines) didn't need any work until far closer to the station itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭notAMember


    I meant page 1 and 4 in the link there. Making the interlink to the city bus services easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,368 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    These two pictures(which hopefully are the right way up) we’re taken last night and show the track having being put back but not ballasted in yet. There are rails all along from the skew bridge to the silver springs flyover and fresh ballast has been placed in parts and the old ballast is sitting on the bank. There are rails on the line between the level crossing and the station similar to further down the line. The level crossing has been put back as it was with new tarmac down on the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭agoodusername


    Out of curiosity, why are the last trains at 22.15 and 22.30, is it a noise thing or something to do with workers? I started taking the 11.00 bus home from nights out or a taxi because I'd be leaving before ten to make the train. Both always seemed like reasonably busy trains compared to the other evening services, I'm assuming that we'd have the demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭deRanged


    As far as I know it's down to the times. they'd need a new shift of workers (not just drivers but signal, station etc) to cover the last train, where the current last train is at the end of the last shift.

    I'm hoping works will complete on time. The lads running the replacement busses have it well sorted now (the first Monday was a proper mess) but I miss the train. And the proper timetable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,541 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Sort of like Closedown on tv, when you should all be in bed, but unlike tv, Irish public transport hasn't moved with the times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    My father worked on the buses in the city in the 70s when the last bus was at 11.15pm. 50 years later it's the exact same (the 220 being a very recent exception).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭thomil


    In fairness, I can't really remember any rail lines comparable to Cork's suburban rail lines being operated for much longer than 11 PM when I was still living in Germany. Granted, the S-Bahn services in large cities like Frankfurt, Hamburg or Berlin would operate until 2-3 AM, and some lines serving their respective airports would be 24/7, but outside the S-Bahn network, you'd be hard-pressed to find dedicated suburban services that went on for longer than 11. My own line, the "Niddertalbahn" out of Frankfurt, would run its last service direct from Frankfurt at 9.45 PM, with the last, shortened "Lumpensammler" (Best translated as "rag picker", the general term for the last service for the day) service departing from the station where my branch split from the mainline at around 11 PM.

    They have since extended services so the last non-stop service leaves Frankfurt at 11.45 PM, but that is a development of the last couple of years, so I think that you can cut Irish Rail some slack here.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Is there any indication that the works will run over? Not a fan of a bus replacement. Saw a cement truck and some Global Rail Services fans at Rushbrooke today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yep Amsterdam isn't late night / early morning and I've been caught out in Frankfurt plenty times too.

    Berlin is 24/7, but most other cities I've been in stop at a reasonably early hour.


    I think it's the personnel shifts too, rather than the noise concerns.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Tbf the journey from Little Island train station to where you might work within the park can be a fair bit and not something a lot are going to do (particularly in Irish weather). Not sure if they've ever got rid of that metal bridge across the tracks but that was a death trap on a frosty morning.

    More trains per hour isn't going to make people stop driving when the alternative is commute to Kent, train and then walk. Not unless you happen to live within walking distance of Kent anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    A new footbridge is planned into Eastgate. A new footbridge was also just announced for over the platforms too, including lifts. A new bus is planned through Little Island also with fairly significant road changes to accommodate it. So those will all help a bit. The current route into Little Island is fairly hostile for pedestrians and cyclists to say the least.

    Lots of people are using that train right now. I'd guess something like 30 per train, so a few hundred every day. It's not terrible but it could definitely be better, no question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Ya, I used to use it but it was a disaster most days with our weather. Now that Im only doing a day in the office a week, I'd deal with traffic that one day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,598 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Question re leap card. Can i get the train and bus from the train station on the one leap card fare?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭thomil


    No. You have to tap your card to get through the platform barriers at Cork Kent station and then need to tap again when boarding the bus. Integrated ticketing is set to be introduced as part of BusConnects but the "wonderful" people of this city are doing their level best to kill that project before it can even start...

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    A new toll on the N8 between dunkettle and the city centre would provide plenty of passengers. Speaking of which whybare there still national roads designated in Cork City Centre?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,598 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Cheers, I was under the false impression from their website that tapping it to exit Kent and tapping it on city bus at Kent, the system would know it's all one trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I presume you're thinking of Tivoli area.

    If you do that, you push a lot of the associated traffic onto northside rat-runs unfortunately. I'm in favour conceptually of tolling to promote modal shift (and reinvest the collected money directly!) but I think a city congestion charge might be the only way to achieve it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,184 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I like the idea of a congestion charge but imagine the uproar from certain city centre traders!

    Or maybe, they could indroduce a congestion charge but promise never to enforce it. Might get it through that way 🤣

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Irish Rail pours cold water on later running trains.

    They were asked by the NTA to examine 3 options:

    1. Run services through the night on commuter and main Intercity routes,

    2. Run last departures until at least 00:30 7 days a week,

    3. Run late trains on Thurs, Fri and Sat nights into the early hours.

    They said no to the first 2 and are examining running late weekend trains but basically saying that it's probably not a runner as most maintenance takes place on weekend nights.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    At least the 3rd option isn't ruled out. Would maintenance works be taking place every weekend? Would seem a waste not to run it due to maintenance if they were relatively infrequent. But again, I'd know nothing of the extent of the works so maybe it is done each week, no point starting later trains if they're not able to run 1 out of 3/4 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    [quote]An email said: “The Irish Rail network does not allow for alternative routing of services unlike, for instance, certain parts of the Great Britain network where diversionary routes allow for longer operational days.” [/quote]

    This is something I hadn't thought of. For example in GB if the Brighton main line is closed you could do a (circuitous) diversion to Bognor Regis and up via Arundel and Crawley. It would suck, but it means you could have a 2hr service late evenings perhaps via the diversion. That can't be done here because we have a branch network only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Public consultation on Double tracking Glounthaune to Midleton is now open.

    Anyone interested, including those wanting later services should provide the feedback.

    https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/about-us/iarnrod-eireann-projects-and-investments/cork-area-commuter-rail/glounthaune-to-midleton-twin-track-project



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    You'd know that it's EU Covid stimulus money that is paying for this with the speed it's going at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    As they don't need to modify any of the bridges this should be done fairly quickly and cost effectively. The only concern would be in using the existing bridges, which are not optimal, and what impact that might have on future electrification infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,773 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Surely they should be raising bridges now to allow for electrification



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I think they'd run into serious issues with local objections, cost and at least one of those bridges is on a heritage listing.

    Long term the talk is that for Cork it'll be at least partially battery technology to electrify the line as opposed to overhead infrastructure on the entire network. So for instance you might have overhead cables as far as Glounthaune to power the trains and recharge the battery with the battery then taking over the rest of the journey or indeed battery electric on the entire line. These are already operational in Germany on similar length networks as Cork.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    In more Cork suburban rail news planning permission for the new platform at Kent has been lodged.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,501 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    That seems quick for a decision. Great to see it going ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Sorry meant to say the application for planning has been lodged. Serious progress being made on suburban rail in Cork in recent weeks. It's amazing how much quicker things move in Ireland when it's EU money paying for it. We'd still be at square 1 if the Irish government was responsible.



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