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Brother Says I Can't Sit Next To Wife At Wedding

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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kyler Scruffy Matte


    For Christ sake, the wife is from China, not the Andromeda galaxy. Being from China is an immediate conversation starter/ice-breaker.

    You'll be separated for a couple of hours, as will other members of the top table from their other halves.

    It's the biggest day of your brother's life, so for the sake of a couple of hours, suck it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Does Peter know you've signed up to boards to discuss his upcoming wedding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,875 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The OP is taking his cues from his parents - they are fine with being cut off from their entire family, even though this means their children do not have an extended family at all. They have apparently never shared the family idea of letting things go, accepting people's foibles, getting on with life without causing drama.

    The OP is now going down the same route even though he lives on a different continent and doesn't even have to deal with day to day family issues. He will end up cut off from his siblings, and his own children will not know their Irish family.

    OP, get over yourself, either go along with the wedding arrangements or don't go. Life is too short for this kind of navel gazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,496 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Considering the attitude of the OP and how he apparently sees the role of groomsman as being a chore and something imposed upon him, I can understand why his family all stay away from each other. Most people do not see being beside their brother on their wedding day as an imposition.

    Could I suggest bringing 2 Ipads to the wedding? One to keep the son entertained, and one for the wife who apparently cannot survive on her own for a few hours. Or maybe only one is needed if they both like Peppa pig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There's weddings and there's weddings and we've been to both types. The pretentious ones and the easy going events. At end of the day, the bride & groom (or their parents) decide as you say on the style of it. But they may also take account of their guests needs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Unhappy Brother


    I genuinely didn't know this about the role of the groomsman. I was under the impression it's simply the best man gives the speech, and the other groomsmen walk down the aisle with the bridesmaids and pose for photos. I didn't know anything about being available for guests, dances, etc. This was never explained to me. I've been to a few weddings but not a lot.

    There will be no other children there. There will be no other family there. I'm a little bit dismayed at people constantly making incorrect assumptions despite me laying out all the information.

    I have to say that it strikes me that people saying "this is normal for an Irish wedding" over and over has almost become like the Nuremburg defence. People don't seem to give any logical explanation or base their opinions on empathy or consideration for family. It's just simply a case of "them's the rules, it's always been that way, twill always be that way, tough shite".

    Thank you to everyone for your feedback though. As you can see, most of the views given are not quite what I wanted to hear, but that's the importance of getting other people's opinions.



  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,929 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    I'd say this is probably the best course of action to the OP if he wants to ensure he's sitting with this wife. The only problem is I noticed he said he's coming home in September, so I'd imagine the wedding is fairly soon after that, so backing out as a groomsman at this stage could be very problematic for his brother, especially if suits etc have been bought. He could run the risk of the brother getting the hump and telling him not to bother coming to the wedding at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭Deeec


    The OP should let his brother know now if he doesnt want to be groomsman. There is still plenty of time to arrange a stand in but OP needs to decide by this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    A set of walkie talkies would be the right job! " Are you OK at that table over". " Roger that, yes I think I'll try the beef, over"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    It sounds normal to me, seating at wedding is very hard to get right he's offered you a good compromise take it. Between courses drop over to the table and check on them. Get something to keep your son entrained during the meal, coloring... not a device as it could make noise.

    If you can ask your other brother to get his girlfriend to make an effort to get to know her. Same with your sister. If you could they be moved to the same table. Great way for your son to send time with his family.

    Wedding are stressful enough don't add to it for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Op see attached for the role of a groomsman - it gives a good rundown of whats expected. I dont think anyone meant to be harsh to you - it did sound being honest that you didnt appear to understand what a groomsman was. I hope you can get to sort this out to everyones satisfaction and have a wonderful day. Also I think your wife will be fine - it may even be a good opportunity for everyone to get to know her. Guests will understand that you are busy being a part of the wedding party and take her under their wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I can kinda see this, but in another way its quite endearing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Unhappy Brother


    Endearing to separate a young child from his mother.

    Alright, I think I've had enough feedback, mods can you close the thread please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    No endearing as in welcoming the child to place of honour. Jaysus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    I can kind of see the OP's point. I mean I've never seen brothers and sisters who aren't in the bridal party sit at the top table. It's a bit much to put his wife sitting with friends of his parents. By right there should be a second table for brothers/sisters/in-laws and that's where she should be sitting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭chiefwiggum


    Jesus..."to separate a young child from his mother". Are either been locked away for the duration of the festivities?you're trying to paint a picture like they are going to be forceably seperated kicking and screaming. She'll be a maximum of 20 ft away I'd imagine in plain view..if this is a thing to make a big deal over I can see why your family don't get on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,113 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Don't go, after all, the wedding doesn't revolve around you, apparently, so no one should mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,258 ✭✭✭Be right back


    It's just the way generally you have to just go along with what the bride and groom want. Just one day after all. I'm invited to a colleague's wedding soon with no plus one, whereas all other workmates have been asked to bring a plus one. Not sure if it's an oversight or what, just not going to make a fuss.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If your sister is not part of the wedding party, you could ask that your wife and son be seated with her?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    @Unhappy Brother

    This is exhausting to read and a good reminder why I hate Irish weddings so much.

    If your immediate family makes such a big trip to attend the wedding ceremony there should have been some consideration.

    OP, I simply wouldn’t go under these circumstances. I don’t think you are being self centred here. There is a weird level of expectation on this “special day” which is just really stressful for everyone involved.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    But if he's not with her, he'll be with you. I'd only be asking for him to be sat with her so she has someone she knows but other than that it's a nice gesture to include sit a child at the main table.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Not going to the wedding over this would be extremely petty, it doesn't get much more self centered than refusing to go to someone else's wedding because you can't sit next to your wife.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,270 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I dont understand why they would put your son at the main table, thats bizarre to me.

    But the solution is not to also bring your wife up, its to put your son back to her table.

    It would also be bizzarre to have the wedding party +1 random person at the main table. Like where would she sit, in between all the groomsmen?

    Your brother is bringing his girlfriend and I presume the bridemaids are bringing people, sit your family with them?

    You made the point "I consider my wife to be part of my family"....I dont see the relevance? Its not a family table, its the bridal party table? Sure the priest will be there, is he family?

    Seems like you are coming at this pre-chipped to be honest.



  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    You had your wedding. And presumably in China, right? you probably did things that were traditional in wedding culture there and didn't realise were standard so if the shoe was on the other foot and it was your brother asking for his wife your wife's family would probably have had a similar issue.

    You sound like a considerate husband, and you've not realised that you aren't just doing an aisle walk.

    Groomsmen have pre-wedding photos to attend, then there's the wedding, then the (hours!) of photos afterwards, then the meal. Realistically you might not get to actually hang out with your wife and kid until well after first and second dance which could be 9pm - you could be easily detained from first thing in the morning until then. I've been the partner of a groomsman on two different occasions and I'm fairly chatty, of the same culture and even then, it was a long auld boring time for me hanging around with couples.

    So my advice is to explain that you didn't fully understand the logistics of the role, but you want him and his wife to have their day their way and if possible, could he step you down as groomsman as it's a long day for your wife on her own. Explain that you've no hard feelings and hope there isn't any hard feelings on his part either and if he's paid for suits, offer to cover the cost of any change as a goodwill gesture. Then just attend as a guest, and you and your wife have a great time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    op i do think most people are considering family, its just in this case its not your family theyre concerned about seeing as its not your wedding.

    sometimes traditions dont have much or any logical reasoning but people want to stick to them, having multiple groomsmen (or a wedding full stop tbh) might seem illogical to alot of people, but if thats your brother's choice then so be it.

    also, its not uncommon for guests to not be too familiar with each other so your wife wont be on her own with that one. personally, im pretty shy and uncomfortable so i get that it might be a bit hard for her with new people, but once shes sat with a decent group of people - i.e similar ages etc - she'll be fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,496 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Would you ever listen to yourself, it seems that there is no level of innocuous comment that you won't take offence to. No wonder it is family drama all over the place.

    I would suggest that if you are causing drama over simple seating arrangements, that is not a good sign of things to come when the real wedding pressure comes on. What are you going to have a problem with next, having to wear matching suits? Having to stand still for photos? Having to join in with the bridesmaids for the first dance?

    Its such a shame your brother tried to include you on his big day but if you consider it all to be so much hassle for you then perhaps you should just avoid it altogether.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭obi604


    There will be no other children there. There will be no other family there. I'm a little bit dismayed at people constantly making incorrect assumptions despite me laying out all the information.


    I too am like you.....totally in shock and dismay about the incorrect assumptions, I cant get over it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,168 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Nope don't believe a word of that. A neighbor has a daughter in law who is Korean. The family are like the son is the black sheep that married an foreigner.

    If the OP's family are anything like that then I can see his issue.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    That's a stretch though. Nothing in the OP says anything like that.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Mod note

    Thread closed as per OP's request.

    I would remind folks of the forum Charter and to ensure their replies to threads in PI/RI are in line with it. Ive deleted some off topic posts .

    Unhappy brother- The Charter applies to those starting threads as well as those replying. People are taking time out of their day to give you advice so you can resolve the issue you are having. Please bear that in mind going forward.

    Thanks to those who offered advice.

    HS



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