2022 Irish EV Sales

You would think that, but no, better to make up stuff and tell them to charge at home,

This would always have been the case if the ridiculous 'green' vrt and motor tax rates weren't introduced in 2008 resulting in urban drivers of small cars opting for diesel because of the incentivised tax rates. This is exactly the same response now with BEVs due to to very significant tax incentives in place. People are rational and follow the money with the environment taking a distant second place

And all thanks to the green party!!

They make good vans? Do they work for PSA now?

Their new supra is bought in from BMW, the new vans are bought in from Citroen. The only good thing they make now are the landcruisers. I also like the highlander. But these aren't EVs.

People buy diesels because that's what they are used to using for their needs.

So someone bought IX35s or previous model Tucsons in the past as diesels.

They walk into Hyundai dealer - look at 2022 Tucson and see theres diesel and thus decide to buy the diesel.

They know that diesels can work in their situation.

Even Hybrids are a stretch for many of them as they assume the hybrid will horse through the fuel on motorway runs.

Media coverage of EVs doesn't really help because if I know nothing about EVs then all id be hearing is that EVs are a problem.

And im not going to buy something i think is a problem.

Which ironically is part of why i drive an EV - i wasn't keen on reading of various issues on ICE cars i was interested in.

Agreed, and I am not sold that if PHEV is your first step towards EV that the experience will be a good one for you and encourage you to ll EV the next time...

The range will be poor, the charge time will be very long and you will be the pariah at the EV charging stations...

I'd venture it's not even that. It's that they've been sold it in terms of running costs and the outrageous MPG claimed by PHEVs. They get to plug it in, they get to loudly proclaim that they hardly ever hear the engine kick in (lies), and sure don't they get "the best of both worlds".

2018 leaf seems to fall short of 5 years, 2014 model S seems to fall short of 5 batteries, not really what you want to hear, but people do hear those stories and apply them to all EVs, why take the risk, you have a known expense you are used to it and if you do have a problem 1000s of places to fix it, not some vapour ware indy .

Two teeny issues with your logic. The low range Leaf or similar will need to recharge with electricity whereas the PHEV can (and will) go off and burn a load of oil. Second, "supporters of EVs strongly advise" is a tad broad. A certain section of those supporters.

Nice try though.

I actually think most EV drivers here are very upfront about the realistic range and charging expectations

When someone comes on saying they've a 60km daily commute, it isn't a lie to say a Leaf will cover that to spare. It helps them to evaluate how much they need to spend on an EV

I'm pretty sure no-one on this forum has said anything like a Leaf24 can do Dublin to Cork and back in a single day with no issues, that would certainly be a massive lie

I would imagine it would drive on. Clearly indeed, but 3 units needs to be 3 more hubs, then at what percentage of total cars would that be then inadequate? All that's needed now is loudmouth Joe to witness it and then it's in the pub saying diesel is best.

I get that but some people are slow to change and so be it. It's a free country after all and if someone decides they want a phev is it such a big deal? At least it will reduce the number of oversized diesel SUVs used for school runs and short urban journeys

From that perspective alone surely most EV supporters would consider it preferable to promote a phev over a diesel. A further benefit is that waiting times for people who actually want a BEV might be reduced. Unless there is some radical new innovation over the next couple of years people will have no choice but to buy a BEV in the not too distant future. We'll have to find something else to complain about at that stage.

It's no skin of nose. I'm not holding a flag up for phevs if that what the 'nice try' reference is all about. TBH if people won't charge a PHEV how would you think they would buy a BEV?

I'm not anti EV in case you think that's my motivation. I have an L30 which is grand for short journeys but I would be very slow to head off of a 50km+ journey with it so I take the diesel for those journeys which are fairly regular. If I had the money I'd buy an Ioniq 5 for the journeys I didn't need a 7 seater but currently couldn't justify an expensive EV and a 7 seater. An alternative for me would be a 7 seater phev but there was very little affordable options back 2 years ago when I was changing.

Reality is no matter how thick you think ice/phev drivers are you're going to have to put up with them for a while yet. Pity we didn't live in a more autocratic country where you could force these thickos to give up their dirty ols ICEs / phevs thereby allowing you perfectly clean air and near silent motoring.

Great thing is that things are improving and maybe we should celebrate that instead

I see a similar thing myself, quite a few PHEVs in my area got home chargers. It's often the thing that clued me in to look closer at the cars in the driveway.

But I rarely see them plugged in, chargers sitting there gathering dust instead

I spoke to one of my neighbours who owns one. He said he tried plugging it in every evening a seeing how long a tank of petrol would last. He managed to get 6 weeks between refills but gave up because it was too much hassle to charge every evening

This is IMO the fatal flaw of PHEVs, charging is basically optional and people will often choose the lazy option

I actually wish the REX concept like the i3 had gotten more popular. IMO it's the ideal best of both, where you had a big battery, fast charging and a petrol backup just in case. The cynic in me says that automakers didn't go for them because it would swing too far towards EV and wouldn't keep their existing engine factories running

Tbh, I think the REXs days are numbered too with long range EVs coming out which will soon be filtering down to the second hand market. I think their niche could be emergency or off-road vehicles, where having the petrol backup engine is more of a necessity than a luxury

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They've got their niche IMO, at least for now. Take emergency vehicles for example, I saw a presentation recently for an electric fire engine in the US which had a backup generator to act as a range extender

It makes sense to have it there, there's no way to control when you might get a call out and I'm not sure a fire is going to wait for the truck to recharge

I honestly suspect that generator will be unused 90% of the time. But it still makes sense to have it there for something that's a critical service

However, I think that for most of the western world, a REX doesn't make sense anymore, BEVs have enough battery now that you can get where you need to go and the charging network is improving, albeit a lot slower than it should be

That's it really. You can't do much about stupidity.

Just because some people are stupid doesn't mean we should tar every other PHEV owner with the same brush. I don't buy the argument that most PHEV owners don't charge them. A few anecdotes doesn't convince me of that.

The PHEV hate, I think, comes from those that are happy with their BEV's and think that because it works for them it works for everyone. The reality is different, but they will never get it. Idealists, not realists.

At some point in the future (hopefully not too far out) we will have a wide range of BEV's at more affordable prices and not be supply constrained and that suits the vast majority and THEN the days of the PHEV will be gone... we're not there yet.

Basically that.

No hate for them either, but hate for the stupid owners who leave them plugged in long after they're fully charged.

I suppose it comes down to etiquette and manners. Both of which are sadly lacking in society nowadays. You only have to see the amount of idiots skipping lines of traffic or parking in disabled bays.

I see that constantly at the 7KW chargers at the Blanch red entrance merchant bankers using the spots as they are closest to the doors and not a cable in sight, there needs to be legislation akin to disabled spaces I.e. not charging no parking, with the lack of charging infrastructure we need to make the best use of what is available and make sure it’s available to as many drivers as possible