ESB eCars

All things being equal, yes. But all things arent equal. Say if you have a phev on the DC pulling 6kW from the fastAC, a chademo leaf on the HPC pulling 35kW and a Taycan limited to 40kW on the other side of the HPC, along with a Tesla queuing, is that a success? No because you're supplying 80kW when you could be supplying 200 - that's over half of your profit gone.

Better utilization of scarce resources allows more profit for the charging company. Some (tesla, Ionity) have solved for this with redundancy of units to exceed normal demand, others have tried to do it with time of use pricing but I think ultimately the best would be a per minute pricing rather than per kWh.

True to a point, but if you have 3 cars charging and 5 cars pass by and end up going to EasyGo chargers then that's an opportunity cost, you lost out on that potential revenue

ESB don't car IMO because they control most of the chargers in the country, so even if customers move on there's a good chance it's to a different ESB charger

Also I'm fairly sure Ecars is just a way of getting revenue for ESB via government grants

I tried a 150kW charger in the Amber station in Fermoy today.

Car was at a low SoC and battery was above 20C so should have got 125kW. Only got 88kW! 😖

I think the reason is that the 50kW charger next to it is sharing the capacity and there was a car pulling 50kW from it which left me with “just” 88kW.

A HPC advertised as such should not be sharing like that, imo. It would probably be worse again if someone was charging at the other side of the 150kW charger as it is a Delta dual charger.

If I make an effort to go to a 150kW charger and I’m paying more for it I expect to get the rate I’m paying for.

Are all these new 150kW eCars sites the same?

i.e. You only get 150kW if no one else is at the site.

Ionity ftw, if that’s the case. I have always got 100kW+ from Ionity even with other cars charging at the same time.

I see Laghy south Donegal now has 2 X 50kW. Back a few years ago this was listed as a future hub, which I assumed would be higher than 50kW. 50kW is ten year old technology. Even 100kW load sharing would be an improvement. Many motorists will be stopping for say 30 minutes, meaning only max/typical 4 cars an hour at this "hub" site. Each of those cars can only get max 25kWh in 30 minutes so some drivers may stop for longer.

It's a great improvement but still far from future proofing. 3 years ago it may have been ok, but now it will not meet existing demand let alone future demand. The site may also be busier with drivers skipping other single charger sites before and after.

We really need Lidl Donegal town to swap their AC charger for DC, or the supermacs across the road which have 2 X EV marked spaces as part of planning permission to actually install a charger as they are required by law.

It does worry me as a 2 car household (one EV) if we can go 2 X EV based on no realistic growth of charging network planned that will make charging while away on holidays realistic. 2 X kids on tow mean even 30 minute stops are a hard sell, particularly when daily diesel use is near zero, so fuel savings are negligible.

I think it was intended to be 50+150 like Kells Park Ri, but local supply restricted

Every eCars multi unit site with the exception of Mayfield has a 50/50 split between CHAdeMO/CCS, despite CCS cars outselling CHAdeMO cars by a factor of about 9:1 over the last 2 years or so....

someone will be along shortly though to say there are a lot of old Leaf's out there blah blah blah....

More CCS cars sold in 2022 alone than Leaf's sold/imported in the last 10 years..

Most of the ecars sites I've been to have the same number of chademo and CCS plugs but can only charge on one of those plugs at a time, so calling it a 50/50 split is inaccurate. The last time I was at J14 they had 1 dedicated chademo, 5 dedicated CCS and 2 which has CCS and chademo.

When I got to J14 the last time an ID3 had just pulled in to the dual charger so he was taking a space a chademo could pull from despite there being 2 free "CCS only" spots. When I asked him if he'd move (he wasn't plugged in yet at that stage) he basically gave me the finger and said "first come first serve"

Lovely carry on from fellow EV drivers

Oh I know, but they can double up the cables on one side, so you've the option of CCS or Chademo

So instead of 2 cars at a time, you can charge 4. And you can don't sacrifice CCS connectors to support Chademo

My favourite thing is the ESB and council coming together to put in a charger with 2 sockets but only painting 1 space green. This allows vans, cars etc to park there and block one of the sides. The long cable is mine. I'm parked 2 spaces away.

Thats why I said multi-unit sites, and I'm specifically aiming at the sites where they have a 150kW + 50kW unit. These are sites that can charge 3 cars at once just as long as one of them is a Leaf. I've been in Kilcullen before, with 2 CCS cars charging, and another 2 CCS cars waiting to charge, with 1 empty bay waiting for a Leaf to arrive...... in 2022 that's not right. Another CCS plug on the 150kW unit means it will see much more usage compared to it's current configuration.

I maintain, that every eCars site with multiple units (with the exception of Mayfield) is split 50/50 between CCS/CHAdeMO, and in 2022 where CCS cars outsell CHAdeMO by around 9:1 it's just idiotic....

I know the CCS vs CHAdeMO argument has been done to death etc... but seeing as how eCars will just not change their ways anytime soon, I think the best we can hope for is the way they've set up the Tuam 4 car 'hub' There are 4 spaces, and each space has a CCS or CHAdeMO plug available to it, so 4 CCS cars can all charge simultaneously, or 4 Leaf's can charge simultaneously..... (unlikely, but eCars logic means support CHAdeMO at all costs).

I think it's completely wasteful having 4 CHAdeMO plugs there, as 2 would probably suffice, but eCars are all about spending that hard earned money, so 4x CCS & 4x CHAdeMO it is...

I think outside of Mayfield, it's their best set up site as it's 4 spaces, and 4 CCS cars can charge simultaneously there.

If every eCars 'hub' was configured that way, you'd go as far as to say the network was sufficient, but as we are, the majority of their 'hub's can charge no more than 2 CCS cars simultaneously (down to 1 if a Leaf arrives and plugs into the (cheaper) 50kW unit at a 150kW + 50kW site).

Looking at the photos of the one in Kilcullen I see a 50kW unit that can charge either a chademo or CCS or AC43 and a HPC that can charge a Chademo or a CCS

So that site can charge 2 cars at the same time regardless of socket, meaning your comment is completely inaccurate

How much extra does adding the Chademo plug cost? Some people on here recon it's about €100 per plug. To me a €400 once off payment to bring in the 30% of leaf drivers (and don't forget the early tesla adapters) doesn't really scream "Wasteful" but each to their own

I'm happy to be fact checked, no apology needed. So you are saying the CCS/Chademo (HPC) box can charge a CCS and Chademo at the same time? That I didn't know, and is a bit of a waste.

If a unit can charge 2 cars it should have at least 4 plugs

Which comment was completely inaccurate?

The HPC can charge both CCS & CHAdeMO simultaneity.

Kilcullen can charge 3 cars simultaneously, as can most of the sites with a HPC & FCP. The issue I and most have is the HPC only has a single CCS plug on it. If it had 2x CCS and 1 CHAdeMO, it could still charge 2 cars at once, but crucially 2 cars could be CCS.

Probably worth reading my comment again with teh knowledge that the HPC can charge 2 cars at once.

The problem with your solution is if 2 leafs came along they could both be potentially waiting for the CCS car on the dual-side to finish, even if nobody is charging on the single-side. While at the same time one of the leaf's would be waiting for the other one while the single side would potentially be free to another CCS car to rock up and go

Strange... I still own a Leaf and the Chademo port works perfectly... Can you explain your comment in more detail?

So we should always keep 1 side of a 150kW unit clear in the off chance a Leaf will arrive to pull 50-60kW from it, as opposed to adding another CCS plug in the highly likely event that there'll be more than 2 CCS cars there needing a charge...

Strange logic, but each to their own.

If we don't then we have the same problem you've been complaining about, except it's for Chademo cars instead of CCS cars...

For nostalgia maybe but not for profit, because that's a dead format, unlike Chademo

Are you reading my comments properly or just acting the eejit?

Yes, so better to favour the cars that currently account for 25% of the HPC/FCP usage as opposed to favouring the cars that account for 75% of their usage.....