Does this seem disingenuous? Lidl staff offered choice to continue working beyond retirement.

The Continental Op · 05-08-2022 2:53pm #1

Great headline for Lidl and they say that it may affect 40 staff but they have to all be in head office because I've never seen anyone over 50 working in Lidl let alone 60?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/lidl-staff-offered-the-choice-to-continue-working-beyond-retirement-age-1345940.html

disingenuous

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Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating.

Allinall · 05-08-2022 2:56pm

I fail to see how it's disingenuous?

They've just changed their practices.

They don't stand to gain or lose anything. Neither do their employees.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-08-2022 2:58pm

I think it's a good idea, give people the option. In the US you see plenty of staff in their 70s working in supermarkets both on the floor and behind the tills.

I'd like if it wasn't just a clause removed but they actually allowed new hires at that age too provided they satisfied fitness tests.

The Continental Op · 05-08-2022 3:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433612#Comment_119433612

When I think of Lidl I think of the stores. I think of staff packing shelves, cleaning, working on the tills and doing it non stop. I've not ever seen anyone over the age of 50 in any of the Lidl stores I've visited. So on the face of it there is no issue and no store workers will be affected because none may exist who are near retirement.

As a policy I think its a great idea but my feeling is they are just jumping on a publicity bandwagon.

05-08-2022 3:44pm

It's a company jumping on a fake government band wagon. To escape the rath of raising the retirement age they are creating the impression that most people will want to retire later.

I suspect we will be reading in the near future that the government will listen to the people and raise the retirement age to 70.

Tow · 05-08-2022 3:51pm

Next time your in the States have a look at the age of some of the Walmart staff.

The Continental Op · 05-08-2022 3:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433854#Comment_119433854

Do they work under the same management style as Aldi and Lidl?

Over here and I know the UK B&Q have a policy of employing older people https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293023/Retire-Im-90-The-B-Q-worker-refuses-feet-working-seven-decades.html

phormium · 05-08-2022 3:59pm

There is definitely at least one over 50 in the Lidl stores I got to and another possibly over 60 or else he just looks it!

El_Duderino 09 · 05-08-2022 3:59pm

As long as they're being paid properly, I don't see a big problem. I'd imagine some people would like to keep working part-time to keep active and for the social interaction and draw their pension to top up their wage. Good deal if it's what they choose to do.

Pension ages are going to rise anyway. The old people today got a better deal than we will get when we're older. That much is for certain

L1011 · 05-08-2022 4:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433878#Comment_119433878

He retired that year in the end - they had previously had a 97 year old worker

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/and-finally/shop-worker-hangs-up-apron-aged-96-26788496.html

CJhaughey · 05-08-2022 5:31pm

I’ve seen plenty of people usually fellas retire and sit on a couch for a couple of years until they die. They are unable to adapt from working life to retirement. This at the very least allows them the option of continuing on in some form of employment. People have never been fitter into older age than now, and this just allows them another way to keep busy,socialise and make money instead of being forced to quit the workforce.

06-08-2022 11:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119434274#Comment_119434274

Thats cuz they are now to old and broken to do anything else. Having worked for to long. Pension age should be lowered.

Jim2007 · 07-08-2022 5:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439411#Comment_119439411

And are you willing to finance it? There is no magic money tree, if you want the pension age lowered then be happy to see your contributions say double.

Jim2007 · 07-08-2022 5:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119434274#Comment_119434274

It just puts of the inevitable end for them though by a few years....

Jim2007 · 07-08-2022 5:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433819#Comment_119433819

Well, unless you are in your late 40s, you better hope they do, because otherwise you will end up with not a lot and be forced to work longer to pay for it.

07-08-2022 6:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439642#Comment_119439642

That's basically the "size" of it......... life expectancy is getting longer...... the less people "kicking in" to the kitty the more they'll have to pay. The next generation won't have it as good as those that retired in 70s ,80s or 90s

Viscount Aggro · 07-08-2022 8:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439666#Comment_119439666

These people have not grasped the concept of retirement,

if they are retiring at such ages.

07-08-2022 8:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439761#Comment_119439761

It's ALL very complex .......BUT..... the " nitty gritty" is fairly simple.

We have an aging population that's living longer & longer......but like those ponzi schemes those at the bottom ( younger) are having to chip-in more & more to 'cover' the tab for those in retirement. As a nation we didn't prepare for what's coming down the track medium/ long term......like public sector/ state pensions are paid out of day-to-day income / there IS NO retirement "fund" in place like most European Countries. What the media sometimes refer to as a 'pension timebomb' is serious but it just gets kicked down the road.....its not a "popular ' or vote winning topic for most. My wife is " getting the watch" at 60 but she's ( very very fortunately) the last of what is known as a 'defined benefit' scheme......at 60yrs of age she'll get 60% of her wages in perpetuity......then at 65 or 66 she'll get state pension so, assuming life expectancy of 85 ( just roughly) theay'll mean 25yrs of 60% and 20yrs of more-or-less similar income to the last several year of working life??? Tis crazy really......now, our grown daughters ( all working thankfully) will work longer & get nowhere as big a slice of the cake. Nobody in their 20s / 30s wants to talk about retirement funding ( most are barely making ends meet)

Viscount Aggro · 07-08-2022 8:36am

Dont depend on the state to fix your problems.

People who end up working in low paid retail jobs in later life - it only means one thing .... bad luck or lack of financial planning.

Sure, a % of older people want to keep busy and feel useful, but most do not want this hassle.

All of the lies that society tells people.

You need this or that to be happy.

Debt is what "the Man" wants, it keeps you under control.

No, you need to keep your expenses low, squirrel away as much as you can.

ax530 · 07-08-2022 8:40am

I'm actually bit surprised they had mandatory retirement age.

Do many organisations have mandatory retirement age ? I thought it was mostly just government employees

Seems to be plenty people past retirement age working in local Super Value.

is_that_so · 07-08-2022 8:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439853#Comment_119439853

There is an option for employers to have a mandatory retirement age but it must be justified.

In the vast majority of cases it's because the State pension kicks in at 65 and so a lot of contracts have been written to end there.

07-08-2022 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119439637#Comment_119439637

The whole system is to broken and corrupted but yea sure it can be done.

Maybe start by taxing everyone instead of doubling it for some. Not giving away a 30 billion fund to unsecured lenders, not building the most expensive hospital in the world by letting some halfwits do the tendering, not spending 100,000 to find out if you can shoot a bird, not giving 100 million to your hotel buddies to host a few Ukrainians, not having a war economy. Not letting Bezos sneak a half billion boat out in the middle of the night. Everything and i mean everything....is fuking wrong.

07-08-2022 1:03pm

Plus lidl is a kip. Rte investigates should go into one of their warehouses and have a look. The midlands one.

People shouldn't shop there. So many bad reports on Facebook here on their own page before they delete them. Same in Germany. Horrible company.

Furze99 · 07-08-2022 1:38pm

Lidl are making a virtue out of necessity. If they could get enough younger staff at the wages they want to give, they wouldn't be too bothered with this. This is more about enlarging the pool of available employees for Lidl. Same in some parts of the hospitality industy.

07-08-2022 2:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119440887#Comment_119440887

Eh no, if they let someone go at 65 that person goes to wrc and gets a bag of cash. Thats why.

Mr. G · 07-08-2022 7:34pm

Same. Even the Civil Service have set retirement dates beyond 65 now.

Tow · 07-08-2022 7:59pm

RTE lost a case in the WRC, so longer have a retirement age.

Does this seem disingenuous? Lidl staff offered choice to continue working beyond retirement.

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