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Do women dislike quiet men?

  • 15-07-2022 9:32am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭


    Most men (even the loud mouths) kind of get that some men don't talk unless there's something to say; they can relax around a guy who's a bit quieter than most. But I've only ever heard women use 'quiet' as a word to describe men... and I usually get the impression that it's not used in too good a way. Now if the person literally says nothing at all, that's a bit different. Now if the person literally says nothing at all, that's a bit different.

    In the canteen the other day there was a new guy who came to sit with us. He'd been sitting with us a few days ago too and he fitted in fine... granted he was a bit quieter than us. But unfortunately for him, when he sat down we happened to be engrossed in a topic he didn't know anything about. Later I heard one of the women who'd been in the canteen that day refer to him sarcastically as "the quiet man" when she saw him walking across the yard. Seemed a bit much to me!

    I would be a bit quieter than most. But if someone does go to talk with me I'll talk back, so I'm not hard work for people. But sometimes when I'm around loud extroverted women there's a voice in my head saying "just say something for the sake of saying it".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,234 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Is that you Brid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Yes definitely. I've had women I was dating moaning because I don't waffle on endlessly. I find in this country there's a tendency to assume there's something wrong with you if you're not the party animal 24/7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    I dont think women dislike quiet people anymore than men do or dont. If you're talking about attraction there is still no difference so long as you're sound to talk to (being super shy and socially anxious is different).

    However, if we're talking about potential dates etc, being quiet probably puts you at a disadvantage because you are less exposed to opportunities with meeting women etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭Irish_rat


    I believe there is just a different communication level for different types of people.

    I am generally quiet enough, old enough not to care what others think and know straight away if I will get on with a person or not.

    Wouldn't bring gender into it really but I think it follows closely with alcohol and "gaa culture" in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 miasmum


    I like "quiet" men. Only downside is I'm considered quiet/shy myself, which doesn't help because when you have 2 people of a shy disposition and neither will make a move it ends up with missed opportunities so I tend to go for more confident men. Every woman has a personal preference though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville


    Well sometimes being quiet means not being present; sometimes it doesn't. That's probably an important distinction. If they sense that you're sitting over there thinking about God knows what, then it might make others feel uncomfortable. So if there's nothing else going on, then you may as well join in a talk about whatever they're talking about... even if it's somewhat boring. I may be an introvert, but I still like human connection... and of course it's a good form of exercise for the brain. Maybe other quiet men claim they dislike human connection... but they may really just not like being out witted by others. I think it's three things that make me quiet; 1. being preoccupied, 2. feeling that what I say must be of value or else it's not worth saying, 3. a slight hearing deficiency in one ear. What about you? What makes you quiet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s a cultural thing rather than a female thing. Being quiet in Ireland is commonly seen as a flaw and such people will frequently be perceived as weird or ignorant.

    It’s not really about the quiet person though. Most Irish people are not comfortable with themselves and with their own thoughts. They prefer to be endlessly distracted and will talk any scutter to avoid the dreaded silence. A lot of Irish people cannot handle doing the most basic thing on their own, such as going to the cinema, a restaurant or a run. So when they see someone doing such a thing on their own then the insulting commentary frequently follows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    @OP, In my opinion Irish women who like quiet men, really translates into I can can control , take charge and dominate them, an alpha female will always go for a beta male.

    Irish people in general dont deal with silence very well and it makes them un-comfortable, all talking and no listening is not healthy either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville


    @kravmaga In my opinion Irish women who like quiet men, really translates into I can can control , take charge and dominate them, an alpha female will always go for a beta male.

    Interesting you say that. I may often be dominated in fleeting interactions with strangers, but as soon as I get to know a person I very quickly see the patterns of their behaviour and - quiet or not - I would not be easy to take advantage of. If you're in a relationship with someone, the "domination by ignoring" option doesn't really work as well.

    Quietness may mean you won't be noticed, and it may even mean a lack of confidence... but it doesn't mean that the person is easy to manipulate. Lots of quiet men are dominant... like the Don Draper character for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville


    They wouldn't go as far as mocking you for going for a jog... but it's still disgusting to think that some people do think you're weird for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    No, not mocking to someone’s face. But discussing how weird someone is after seeing them do an activity alone is common in Ireland. And yes there are loads of people who could never do an activity alone and that would be seen as normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville


    The going to the movies alone thing I get, but have you actually heard people talking about someone who went for a jog alone? That kind of sounds like "anyone who's different to me is weird".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I think the comment about about the quiet man is the issue. Is your colleague known for commentable remarks? Plus they were new. Finding their feet.

    Feck it. I could go from one end of the week to the other and not talk to anybody. Example is work. When I'm in work I've got called quiet. I generally don't get involved in chitchat as I'm up to my eyes.

    But, I can chat with the best of them when in the mood!

    As for the thread tittle. Meh. Some do and some don't. Works for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    The BETA's/women are wonderful types will say you're wrong and come up with some bullshit so they can continue living with their head in the sand but yeah it's a good observation and definitely one I've noticed. The weird thing is that traditional masculinity is associated with being stoic but in Ireland gregariousness is more associated with males and is the standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Can you break that post down a bit by point. I'm not sure I understand.

    The beta part I kinda understand a bit. Are you talking about relationships between men or between opposite sex couples. Do you mean dominance?

    Stoic I can be. But it's generally not from a tough guy place. It's more I don't want to worry people. I've learned to open up more with loved ones and it's made my life better (still quiet).

    So just to be sure. In quiet do you mean non gregarious or not sharing feelings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭gary550




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes, the jog thing is more that many people cannot do that on their own but the other examples are commonly not seen as a normal thing to do and people who do those things alone will be seen as weird.

    When people meet and get on to discuss their children generally the first question will be ‘is your child outgoing’. In other words is your child quiet or are they socially acceptable. Introversion is unacceptable in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Quiet can be subjective, depends on how quiet they are. I personally wouldn't want to date a quiet person. I love talking about a variety of different things, engaging in debates (sometimes) and I also want a bit of banter and craic. At the same time, I don't want to have to deal with a really 'loud' person.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    There's a lot in that post! I agree with you for the most part.

    Engaging sometimes in discussions aspect. I'm curious about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Yeah it's lovely to talk about different topics, which is why I quite enjoy boards for that outlet (aswell as friends and family).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Because it makes them feel un comfortable or they have low self esteem in the 1st place and just cant deal with a quiet man.

    Oh another Irish trait is talking sh1te to fill an awkward silence , sometimes silence is golden.

    Personally I dislike loud mouths who look to be centre of attention all the time, drama queens or constant complainers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I'm fairly quiet but if I meet someone with similar interests I can talk for hours. I think I come across as boring to the more extroverted people in my job, yet I have been told I have a good sense of humor by others. If you're quiet and not a big drinker you can be seen as a bit of a dry shyte, although the attitudes towards alcohol have changed a bit in recent years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Got ya. It was more the sometimes part. I thought you meant outside of boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Where did you get the idea that 'Being quiet in Ireland is commonly seen as a flaw and such people will frequently be perceived as weird or ignorant.'?

    Maybe in your circle of family & friends, but no way is that a dominant view. There are people who are happier and confident in their own skins and who don't need to prove much to anyone. Then there's the loudmouths and braggards who are just that, mostly full of crap. And various degrees in between. Takes all sorts of 'normal' to make a society and there's someone for most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Oh I meant I like to engage in debates sometimes as in other times Im just not arsed, yeah I meant like if I was in a relationship (sorry I prob wasn't clear)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Interesting one. My partner is a non drinker and I enjoy a cupla babyshams.

    But, and this knocked me back for six. I nearly fell her immediately. I had NO interest in a relationship and wasn't even looking for casual sex. It just happened.

    Sometimes we can talk for hours. Other times we may just read our kindles and mutter a word. It works...we're engaged (still trying to decide why the feck we are!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Cool. I thought maybe nasty personal opinion discussions.

    I like debates. Crap at them. If you disagree in discussions...guess what, that's fine. Some people don't get that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Ha no don't know where you came up with that

    I'm not the best at debates either as I can think of a good point to make after the debate is long over. Yeah true, some ppl can't handle a different point of view



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yeah there all sorts of people but culturally the behaviour of some sorts is acceptable and others unacceptable. That’s true of every country in the world. In Ireland quietness and introversion are widely seen as negative traits, there is no doubt about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    You said sometimes and my mind went to racist, sexists...type of discussions. If they're that way...gameoverdude.

    I'm not either unless I'm giddy and on form. Complete chancer then.

    The work side of arguments I'm grand. Just a job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy


    Ha i get you, god no, def not what I meant

    Ah yeah great to have the bants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But again who says that quietness and introversion are seen as negative traits. You must be in some bubble, personally never heard that expressed like that. Sure, some people like those who are life & soul of the party whilst also saying behind their backs that they've big egos and are loopers! So takes your pick of who you listen to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,718 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think women dislike quiet men, they're just unsure about them. Too many unknowns perhaps.

    I work with a lad who's quiet, he's been on a dating app of late and getting on well. He progressed to exchanging voice notes through the app. One chick sent him one that was 25 minutes feckin long, when he responded with one about 30 seconds long, she ghosted him!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Good god yes!

    Don't have many friends but I do love admitting to the slagging. I know it was a joke but you're right (said from my mates to me, not your post).



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I know people who won't go for lunch or to a supermarket on their own lest others "look at them". That's an indication of their own insecurity.

    Speak if you've something to say, rather than just to avoid silence. Empty vessels make the most noise.

    Very insecure people who overanalyse every situation and conversation can appear weird at times, but that's different to being a quiet person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    That's an interesting one.

    I still feel insecure in some ways.

    I'm too old to care for the most part.

    Sometimes people can't have a voice. They need a crutch. If that is a friend...that is a friend.

    Empty vessels comment. Horrible.

    You say overanalyse a situation, perhaps. Potentially analysis a situation correctly.

    Very insecure people. Nice one. Are you perfect?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,234 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    You have to be perfect to be aware of the fact that some people are extremely insecure??? Odd take.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I think you may have read far too much into a joke than was intended tbh. “The Quiet Man” is a fairly common thing, not just something said by women referring to men who are introverted or anything else. Anyone who’s familiar with it, whether they’re men or women who uses it, are probably familiar with the joke which comes from the film -

    The Quiet Man https://g.co/kgs/6dEC8Q



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    You say overanalyse a situation, perhaps. Potentially analysis a situation correctly.


    Equally the potential is there for anyone to take someone up completely arseways.

    Potentially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville


    @gameoverdude You say overanalyse a situation, perhaps. Potentially analysis a situation correctly.

    Could you make an effort to write better? I assume you mean to say "They could potentially analyse the situation correctly."

    @gameoverdude Sometimes people can't have a voice. They need a crutch. If that is a friend...that is a friend.

    What in the name of God are you on about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Christine Neville


    No no no. The movie isn't that well known. I know of it, but no I don't remember the joke in it that you are referring to... that yet you haven't even mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I’m not saying the movie itself is well known, anyone who actually does remember it would want to be fairly ould in the first place, it’s best forgotten! 😂

    But basically it’s like saying someone is a bit of a dark horse, or referring to a man as the strong, silent type. Can be meant in any number of ways, either positive or negative. Personally I’d default to giving people the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming they meant anything negative by it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Hmm. Getting a bit of a pile on here. That's fine.

    Observation. Analyse the situation, conversation and individual present. Comment appropriately or keep stumm.

    As for friends and being a crutch. Probably the wrong word. Some people need support to offer an opinion.

    The issue is with people believing people should be like them. Quite narrow minded don't you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    First impressions are important so a quite guy or if he is an introvert will be at a disadvantage especially in a social situation where the women will get talking to someone else and will forget about the quite one . People who are very chatty will very often regard quite or shy people as rude and not making any effort to chat .Its not easy for people who take time to get to know people .



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    You made that comment in response to my post. I neither said nor implied that I believed others should be like me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    The comment you replied to was not to your account.

    Are you talking for them?



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