Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

Good man, another ignorant post to prove you haven't a clue what you're talking about in this thread. Would you go off and wum elsewhere?

The main cost and the main time element here is a water mains renewal.

Why are DCC budgeting for water works, surely thats an Irish water project coming out of IW budget ?

Also there tends to be a lot of notice re planned major waterworks . This has not been the case for this.

This forum is becoming extremely polarized of late with very strong views on the "anti-car" while not an entirely correct phrase, is not far from it.

I am an (recently ex since the pandemic , now WFH) cyclist commuter with hard knowledge cycling into town from D16, D4, D6, D8, D7 for the daily grind and the level of debate here is very much "we're right and you're wrong". Fairview to me looks like a pet project

Journalists have been taking inaccurate moans (or admissions of completely not doing their job, in the case of the councillors claiming no consultation etc) and printing them verbatim. There's zero effort being put in to reporting

Of course plenty could be changed.

Rather than work on trenches on both edges of the road at once, they could phase the works for one side, then the other, keeping enough space for buses and general traffic in both directions on the North Strand for the duration.

In the meantime, cycles could be diverted up through Fairview and Ballybough, or feel free to mix it with general traffic on the main route, if they so wish.

Yes, it would take longer, but the outcome would be the same in the end and it would obviate the terrible delays, congestion and disruption which will be experienced on the diversion route and back up the Malahide, Howth and Clontarf Roads and thats the most important thing to be avoided.

It seems to be, that the traffic management plan here is designed to cause the maximum disruption possible, in an attempt to trigger the mysterious and seldom seen phenomenon known as traffic evaporation. I rather think that instead it will cause that much more provable and impactful effect known as economic decline, for the affected area.

Cats and skin and all that.

"Fix the leaky pipes!!"

"Give us better public transport"

"Get the cyclists of my roads"

Whoa... hold on a minute....

I think your underestimating the amount of road space needed to replace a water main. I like how you use that lack of knowledge to justify rerouting the most space-efficient transport users in an effort to leaving the least efficient and smallest group alone.

But more worryingly, you seem to be under the illusion that Fairview isn’t already congested and that these road works will somehow make it congested for the first time. We know you’re an expert on traffic in Sandymount and Dun Laoghaire but maybe you haven’t ventured northside recently? Fairview has been a traffic problem since shortly after it was recovered from the sea.

As for traffic rerouting and evaporation, I guess time will tell. I don’t suppose you remember the doom and gloom when the old M1 was reduced to one lane when DPT was being built?

Hopefully you haven't seen it in its final configuration and the buses will be better segregated than that as they approach the diversion zone.

But lets face it, I don't think anybody will be shocked if its a total and utter shyt show from the off. This is Dublin City Council we are talking about.

It's also where The Edge of U2 fame got his nickname as he used to be picked up there on the way to gigs etc.