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Alex Jones Believers - How Do Ye Feel Now ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,485 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Jones is also a personification of the American interpretation of 'freedom of speech', i.e. that you can say what you like, whenever you like and with absolutely no consequences, no matter how damaging your speech is. They extol this absolute freedom of theirs, but suddenly become dismayed when others exercise their own countering freedoms, i.e. to sue for defamation. Pure double standard.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What a horrible horrible thread.

    There was no winners in this.

    You'd swear Jones was the only person alive who told lies.

    If only our own country held people accountable for there actions and words like Jones is being, (rightly so to be fair) then wouldn't it be a great world altogether.

    You'd swear Alex Jones was the one who pulled the trigger.

    Thread should be closed nothing to be achieved from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Again total strawman.

    Totally ignores the conspiracy theorists who've jumped out of the wood work to defend Jones and his claims.

    You also seem to have forgotten again.

    Jones isn't being punished for telling lies and making stuff up.

    He's being punished for defamation. He's being punished for the harassment he caused.


    This thread is about Alex Jones. Why would people bring up other instances of people spreading misinformation on it?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What's strawman about that? Your some man for throwing out the cliche anti vaxer, strawman, conspiracy theorist crap I tell ya that. Shocked you haven't called me a racist yet.

    Defamation and harassment caused by LIES???

    Sure what more is there to said about Alex Jones. I think people are well entitled to bring in other examples if it helps support there argument and debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    It's a strawman because it's not what people are actually arguing. It's a childishly simplified argument you are dishonestly assigning people because you are unwilling and unable to address their other points.

    And bring up other people to justify or dismiss the things Jones has done is a very poor argument.

    You're free to do so, but it's not going to convince anyone that your boy isn't as bad as he is.


    But the point I'm making is that of course people are pointing out that Alex Jones is a bastard on a thread about what a bastard he is. Why would the complain about other people on this thread?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Likewise, the functional definition of "conspiracy theorist" is the same as "anti-vax", "grifter," "white supremacist," "contrarian," "misogynist," etc.: one who questions or defies liberal orthodoxy.

    These are not so much words as weapons.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    OK King mob who is the winners in this?

    You think this thread is great?

    Your making inaccurate statements all the time, I haven't defended him on Sandy Hook once.

    I think it's absolutely fair game to bring like for like scenario's pitched against each other.

    Alex Jones is scourged by mainstream media and any dirt they can get on him is broadcast all over the world to make him look like absolute filth.

    The same standards aren't upheld for other's. Wonder why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol no man. Those have specific definitions.

    Alex Jones just happens to hit all of them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly. I do find it strange that those who are most hostile towards Alex Jones are so obsessed with the tiny minority that won't get on board with them.

    It's almost like they need to convince themselves, daily, of their correctness.

    Most people who hold a majority held view, don't spend their time obsessing on the minority view.

    If only we held talk show hosts at all the other established media outlets to the same standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol more strawmen.

    I don't think this thread is great. There a ton of people jumping to Jones' defence because they feel sorry that thr multi millionaire is being called mean names for harassing and tormenting the parents of dead children.


    And it's really silly that you keep adding the caveat "on Sandy hook".

    You're still defending him dude.

    His other claims aren't that much different from his Sandy Hook ones.


    You're not bring like for like though.

    Please provide an example of someone else who made up false nonsense about the parents of dead children, called them governemt paid actors and encouraged a campaign of harassment by their viewers against those parents.



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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually they do tend to go hand in hand based on reading some of their emails and tracking their internet activity.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    So Alex Jones was wrong.

    And?

    He's right about most things. 20 years he told us about the Epstein island where the rich and famous literally have sex with children. Everyone laughed. But all of a sudden if msm report on it it's truth.

    Let me tell you something. If you sit down and believe everything RTE tell you at dinner time your in far more trouble than anyone who sits down and listens to Alex Jones.

    Both are guilty of lying. If your not somewhere in the middle your only fooling yourself. Ya can't trust any of them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whats strawman about what i said?

    There isnt that many defending him here from what I see in fairness.

    I say Sandy hook because that's the core subject we're talking about here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Was right about mainstream media being used to help divide the people

    Was right about 9-11

    Was right about chemicals in our food and water.

    Was right about government taking away our constitutional rights, 2 YEARS OF COVID restrictions



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Alex Jones was supposed to have been basically black listed from the Internet but he's been tipping away selling smake oil and accumulating big bucks.

    Unlikely he will be back after this. Massive fines to pay.

    Was he CIA? Maybe uncle Sam will pay it for him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol wow.

    Firstly there plenty like yourself who are trying the "what about..." defense. Others have been arguing the idea that his lies about Sandy Hook were reasonable. (Which I notice you've not commented on.)


    And so the topic can only be Sandy Hook and no one's allowed to bring up other things?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Cept he wasn't right about any of those things.


    He believes that 9/11 was done by the governemt using secret explosives in the buildings. Do you believe that?


    He believes "chemicals" in the food and water are turning frogs gay. Do you believe this?


    He's been claiming that they are going to take away people freedoms for years about every event. It never happens. And as we've seen from the covid restrictions thread, this hasn't happened here either.


    He's also a believer in chemicals. Do you believe that?

    He's also an extremely fundementalis Christian. Do you share those beliefs?


    You guys keep repeating the meme that he was right, but when you're confronted with the specifics of what he actually says and believes...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    I don't think you actually know what this "Christian fundamentalist " term that is thrown around repeatedly actually means.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think there's anyone I despise more than Alex Jones. I get a sick feeling of pleasure watching him lose this court case so spectacularly but am disappointed its only a civil case and he's not going to jail. I absolutely hate conspiracy theories and he's gotta be somewhat responsible for how mainstream they've become. The amount of dangerous bullshit he's been spouting his entire life. He's casually wrong about pretty much every major event, inserting insane conclusions where everything is an evil government controlled psy op. Seeing close friends and family falling into the conspiracy world ushered on by the chaos that was covid has been disturbing. Alex Jones is the embodiment of that movement. I hate him.

    The idea that Jones is similarly untrustworthy to the likes of RTE is hilarious. While not trusting the "MSM" (also hate the connotations with that phrase) is not an outrageous idea, a healthy level of scepticism can only be a good thing, the idea that some random loon on youtube, who doesn't need to verify anything they say, is the truth is utterly ridiculous.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So what is strawman about what I said? You've no answer sir.

    How many times have you refused to answer a question i asked you because you said that it's off topic?

    Seems like you think you can bring in stuff that's off topic when it suits your narrative but others can't when it's used to strengthen there side of the story?


    You called me an anti vaxer, imagine if people started turning up at my house and harassing me about it. You've just done exactly what Alex Jone's did.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Those buildings coming down like they did looked very similar to other controlled demolitions

    I don't think chemicals in our food and water are doing us any favors, I'd rather eat something that has as less of that stuff as possible. That's just me

    Lad we're you in a coma during covid? our freedoms were taken away for nearly 2 year's.

    every time the government introduces new legislation they take away somebody's privilages, slippery slope.

    My religious beliefs are none of your business

    Did your parents lie to you about santa claus, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy? Guess you must not believe a word that comes out of there mouths after that shenanigans eh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol this is getting silly.

    I already told you what you're strawmaning me about. I never said this was a good thread.


    You are also being a complete hypocrite. You have just argued that it was fine to bring up other people beyond Jones to support your silly argument. But now you're saying we can't use the things Jones has said because it's "off topic".


    And no man I haven't done what Jones did. Don't be silly.

    I didn't call you a government controlled actor. I haven't given out personal information and picture (which I don't have) to my audience of millions of easily lead and riled marks (which I also don't have.)

    I have not encouraged directly or implicitly that people should harass you or do anything to you.

    I have not used my "coverage" of the fact you're an antivaxxer to drive sales of my multimillion dollar supplement business.


    Lol questions dodged as per usual.

    Is it because you understand those claims are all nonsense and don't want to admit that? Or do you believe those things and just don't want to say because you understand how embarrassing they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    OK. Extremely right wing, Bible bashing Christian then.

    How would you define Jones' brand of Christianity?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I said this was a nonsense thread, there's no winners in all this and you say strawman. Like wtf

    No your the person who started the its off the topic thing to avoid questions so I'm simply just giving you a taste of your own medicine.

    I'm dodging about as many questions as you are also, infuriating isn't it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ahh cool. Just wasting people's time then.

    Gotcha.


    And yes I agree it's a nonsensical thread because folks like yourself are jumping in to defend an obvious grifter and giant asshole.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yee wanted people to come on and defend him isn't that the point of the thread?

    Just because he was proven wrong on Sandy Hook I don't believe that discredits all of the work and subjects he's done before that.

    I believe he was right about

    epstein Island

    9-11

    chemicals in our food and water

    The bilderberg groups

    mainstream media suppression of information.

    iv seen little evidence to prove that these claims are bullshit

    I agree and disagree with alot of stuff some people say. It's just the conclusion I come to in my own head based on the info I have seen. Right or wrong I don't care, its what I believe.

    Like I used the santa claus and tooth fairy example, just because they have been proven to be made up doesn't mean that I don't trust a word my parents ever say again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But you don't believe him.

    I asked you about specifics of those claims and you refused to answer because you know their false. For example he claims all the "chemicals" in food and water are there to turn people gay.

    You agree this is false and stupid. So how

    Can he be right about it when he's claiming such an obviously false thing.


    And yes I agree, conspiracy theorists like yourself don't care about what's true or not. You only care that there's a conspiracy that you know about and other people aren't smart enough to know.

    It's how grifters like Jones con you guys.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    You use his religious beliefs to mock him?

    I haven't seen you on here mocking people for their devout beliefs of Muslims or Hindus or Jews.

    And some of the above could be far more extreme .

    Theres no real discussion going on here,only name calling and mud slinging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yes. Have you looked into his beliefs or how he acts when expressing them?


    He's not "devout".

    This is just more whataboutry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    It's the same thing. You are just trying to rephrase it to justify acting like a bigot



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol sure man.


    Any actual comment on Jones, the things he believes or his scummy behaviour?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,597 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Alex Jones apologists really are funny.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    His comments about Sandyhook were a thundering disgrace. Pushing a lie as if it were fact. A blatant easily checked lie too

    What do you think yourself?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Notice that not one of the loonies that worship Jones has had an issue with the loony with the number of the beats stuff earlier on. Probably because they believe it as well. And the non-condemnatory way they 'condemn' Jones, such as:

    "His comments about Sandyhook were a thundering disgrace. Pushing a lie as if it were fact. A blatant easily checked lie too." - nothing about Jones himself though.

    "Just because he was proven wrong on Sandy Hook I don't believe that discredits all of the work and subjects he's done before that." - nothing but positives about the insane lies Jones pushed and no condemnation of Jones for his horrible use of children's deaths and parents suffering for profit, again because it's supported by that poster

    "Alex Jones is scourged by mainstream media and any dirt they can get on him is broadcast all over the world to make him look like absolute filth." - gotta love 'scourged,' a not-so subtle RCC phrase and again, support of Jones.

    These Jones supporters are as bad as Jones is. Worse, actually, he's earning money from his insanities. They're just pathetic little wannabees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    :-)

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Great. I agree.

    All of his claims are like that I think.

    I also think we're getting a good demonstration on this thread why he's been do successful conning people.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Epstein was first convicted in 2008 so it wasn't remotely something that Alex Jones uncovered. From what I gather, he didn't even mention it until years after the conviction. Even the Prince Andrew stuff was common knowledge to some degree back then.


    9-11 - Still a conspiracy theory...


    Chemicals in foods, a pretty complex discussion. But Jones' complains are off the wall and the actual issues around additives tend to be handled at the EU level for regulations. Ironically enough the US is under regulated for both water and food quality. But Jones wants less regulation so he backs bad food quality. It's not mind control though.


    Bilderberg group amounts to a political forum. Not remotely as exciting as people would like to believe.


    Mainstream media suppression is vague. For the most part it amounts to conspiracy theorists not hearing their theories on the news.


    Other conspiracies he espoused. Weather weapons causing floods, FEMA death camps. Robert Mueller is a demon and paedophile. Oh and pizzagate which resulted in more people being harassed and at least one shooter. He's also accused David Hogg, a survivor of a school shooting of being a crisis actor.


    He sure seems to say a lot of nonsense, eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    He systematically produces a lot of lies, from man-made hurricanes designed to kill people, to Satanist elites, to Pizza-gate, to Bill Gates depopulation stuff, to multiple attacks being "false flags" (9/11, Sandy Hook, Orlando, Belgium, etc). Its a never-ending stream of paranoid far-right conspiracies and nonsense. Some of those lies are harmful, he's currently being eviscerated in court for that reason.

    Claiming he "well he's right sometimes" is like claiming "well Jeffrey Dahmer didn't kill everyone he met". It's trying to salvage something.

    People only buy into it or defend him because they share similar extreme or cretinous views. We already have someone in the thread playing with numbers from deaths from a school shooting to equal the "number of the beast".



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah epstein was convicted, do you no some of the people that visited his island? Some very high up and powerful people. You think they often called to a known paedophile for tea and sandwichs?


    9-11 we will have to agree to disagree

    So he was right about chemicals in the food and water supply then.

    Bilderberg has some of the most wealthy and powerful people in the world getting together with politicians for meetings that was never covered by mainstream media and You don't think it's suspicious. I'd sure love to no what was being discussed at those meetings.

    Ah lad if you can't see the double standards from mainstream media there's no point. Barely any coverage of Canadians truck protest, same with the Dutch farmer's and same thing happening with Immigration coming into this country. Mainstream media went to unbelievable lengths to discredit Trump yet not a word about the absolute state of Biden. All very controlled.

    When you can control what people hear read and see that's quite a powerful and dangerous thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,202 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    So fanboys, what has he actually uncovered? Hes been at this for 20 years now. Whats he done?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But no, he's not right about the chemicals in the food and water. He claims that it's turning people gay and it's there as part of a global depopulation ploy by the actual demons who secretly run the world.

    Which part of that do you believe is correct?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And mainstream media doesn't spread the same misinformation? You believe everything you read hear and watch from RTE BBC etc?

    Did every Alex Jones supporter harass the Sandy Hook families? No



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolutely not, I read a variety of news sources. In general though, if a legit news source gets something wrong, they retract the story or make a correction. Jones does not cause they were fictional from the get go.


    Did Alex Jones target the parents of victims, did he target David Hogg? He personally targeted them. So the fact you downplay it is a reflection on you tbh.


    In relation to him supposedly being right about chemicals in foods. What did he actually expose? An example please.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You really think RTE and BBC spread misinformation just like Alex Jones does? Christ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,597 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    How many of those news outlets deliberately spread lies, revealed the addresses of the people they lied and got their supporters to harass the people they lied about all to make money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,842 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Maybe it was thr dreaded dihydrogen monoxide, the worlds most dangerous chemical!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,386 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    For the 3rd or 4th time, Alex Jones is not news, comparisons are false equivalence.

    He produces far-right conspiracies and distortions. Some of which clearly appeal to you, therefore you find yourself indirectly supporting him. Like Jones, you attack journalism because it contradicts some of these beliefs you have. If I chose a news outlet and asked you to point out all "the lies" from e.g. the last month, I suspect you would struggle. If I asked you to detail any 9/11 conspiracy properly, I suspect you would struggle.

    Like Jones you are repeating conspiracy tropes and gas-lighting. Here are some more:

    "You believe everything the government tells you!?"

    "They told us the vaccines would stop Covid"

    "You always believe the official narrative?"

    etc

    People are much more likely to accept irrational beliefs when they are emotional, e.g. angry. This is why you see a grifter like Jones always shouting and ranting. He gets people riled up because he knows they will more readily accept his conspiracies when they are in the state. He's made a vast amount of money from it. If he wasn't doing it, someone would else would be, it's a very lucrative market.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,004 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Humm

    i dunno about you, but I read about the Canadian truckers and Dutch farmers protest on "mainstream" media



    It's gas that a conspiracy theorist screams that mainstream media isn't to be trusted, but yet claims they haven't seen something on it.

    Does that mean they read mainstream media all the time??



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Made a lot of money out of the similarly minded and simple minded



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,975 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    So introduction of legislation to legalise same sex marriage took away privileges to people? And the change to the 8th amendment? And even the new ebike/scooter legislation that in fact frees up people to do stuff.


    You're so very wrong about so many things



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