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Germany needs a bailout

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Germany's main transport route for industries and power plants is on the verge of closure due to the weather. Water level is at 48 cm's 9 cm's short of being impassible. Prices for barge transportation is also up 450% since June


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,400 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Nothing puzzling about it, they are looking after their own stable just like each and every one of us when we turn on the gas to heat our homes or cook our food. None of us want to admit it but our money is paying for the killing of innocent Ukrainians in this war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,550 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    as opposed to some of our money killing others around the world also.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Not just Germany. Having had to close 5 of Europe's largest coal mines Poland is suffering from a severe lack of coal. The EU's full ban on Russian coal comes into effect on the 24th of August. Looking likely Turkey is going to become a big exporter of thermal Coal this winter.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Well they would only pay 1% towards the military, what do you expect. What a **** show honestly 🤣🤣



    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Good one this 🤣

    For 10 years Spain have been asking to build a pipeline to Europe but it was constantly blocked by France & Germany as they both wanted to sell energy themselves to other countries. Now Scholtz is saying one would vastly improve Europe’s energy security, it would take years to build one.



    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Anyone seen the film Margin Call ?

    A nasty hedge sat on Germany's largest energy company RWE due 31/12/2022

    If prices were to stay as today it would incur a call of 200 billion euros or eight times the value of the business. They are classed as assets on the balance sheet when in fact it is a nuclear bomb unless prices go down to 31/12/2021 levels


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Not looking good for households in Germany. Love the Quote.


    Economy Minister Robert Habeck said: "The levy is a consequence of Putin's illegal war of aggression on Ukraine and the artificial energy shortage caused by Russia."

    Err nope minister its due to your reliance on Russian Gas. If I was a German I would find that comment really hard to swallow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 44 mustardorcustard


    The containment strategy of Germany isn't working out so well, is it?

    I wonder what they'll do when pushed against the wall? Complete mystery.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Well things are not looking good for Germans at the moment. Klaus Mueller, the head of domestic intelligence service in the German state of Thuringia - warned that 'legitimate' protests over the energy crisis could be 'hijacked by extremists' (and definitely not just enraged average citizens).

    Kramer said that officials were bracing for protests over "gas shortages, energy problems, supply difficulties, possible recession, unemployment, but also the growing poverty right up to the middle class," adding that "extremists" which include "lateral thinkers" who rallied against pandemic lockdowns, and 'right-wing activists' who have been stirring the post over social media, could be at the heart of them.

    "We're likely to be confronted with mass protests and riots," he continued. "We’re dealing with a highly emotionalized, aggressive, future-pessimistic mood in society, whose trust in the state, its institutions and political actors is fraught with massive doubts."

    "This highly emotional and explosive mood could easily escalate," the security chief continued, adding that the Covid-19 clashes would "probably feel more like a children's birthday party" by comparison.

    So people protesting against having to choose between freezing or feeding themselves are now going to be regarded as extremists? Nothing like getting in your excuses early, it sounds a lot like that muppet who compared Water Charge Protestors here to the Taliban.

    Anyway, it's not looking good, when Germany catches a cold watch what happens to the rest of us.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Yeah typical isn't trying to get there excuses and labels in already as brandishing anyone protesting as extremists. Free speech is no longer allowed according to these people. I do believe there will be serious unrest for all democracies down the line



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    It's mad how dare you question our energy policy know your place. It's not our fault the officials you elected no not at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    They have lost the plot, i mean fancy voting to impose shock and awe sanctions on the country you and others rely on for energy, without having back up supply in place beforehand. Did anyone even consider the consequences of what would happen if Russia turned the taps off in response ?

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Being opposed to causing a massive global recession by shutting down societies and economies is "extremism", funny world we live in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    In the middle of a heatwave in August


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Lack of options ?

    Basically the US , UK . Baltics,Poland and the rest were going down that road and Germany is trying not to stick out like a sore thumb .. I still reckon they're hoping for the war to end and get back to buying Russian gas ... They'll probably build a coue of LNG plants and keep their considerable gas storage full ( er ) going forward though ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Nordstream closed now indefinitely. It's going to be a long hard winter for us all



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    The only surprise there is how long it stayed open...



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,541 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    I think Russia keeping it open partially with the uncertainty of if and when it'd close probably drove prices up more than if they shut it off.

    Same for food and fertilizer, uncertainty and panic do more harm and scarcity.



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