Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

The value of Russia's currency is irrelevent. The reason why it is high is nobody else wants it and Russians can't spend it on imports.

A military superpower would have defeated the Ukranian military, captured Kyiv, Odessa, and any other city or port they wanted to capture. They would have complete and uncontested air and naval superiority and every Ukranian anti aircraft and ship platform would have been blitzed in the first phase of the war so that attack aircraft could range at will.

They wouldn't be stuck in south eastern Ukraine advancing at WW1 pace.

makes very good sense. Hopefully, this can be arranged.

Why do the ukrainians keep shelling the plant?

This is the fundamental difference I have with most people on here. You all want to take February 24th as Day Zero when the current invasion happened.

I have said the same thing over and over again. Russia created, owned, governed and subsequently gave away the country known as modern Ukraine. Its only stipulation for this huge geopolitical gesture was that due to its unique history and ethnic diversity it must remain a neutral state and not join ANY military bloc ( including a Russian military Bloc). It is in the nations founding document that can be found on the Ukraine Government website where it states the following:

"The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons."

http://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm#:~:text=The%20Ukrainian%20SSR%20solemnly%20declares,to%20purchase%20no%20nuclear%20weapons.

Ever since 2008 the US has been getting involved in its politics and economy in order to poke the bear. Russia spent 14 years saying they would not tolerate Ukraine joining a military bloc as it would threaten Russia's security. When diplomacy failed the Russians acted. I think the US wouldn't have waited 14 years to act in a similar situation.

So no I don't think Russians can be held responsible for a war that was forced on them by NATO and US interference.

This is the same propaganda you posted earlier in the thread which was thoroughly discredited and debunked.

The USSR constitution allowed Ukraine to leave freely.

Whatever nonsense a Ukranian puppet state government had to declare is therefore irrelevent - and entirely superseded by...

Ukraine as a sovereign country signed an international treaty with Russia, the Budapest agreement. Nowhere does it mention the SSD. Nowhere does it mention neutrality. It agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for Russia acceptance of its territory and sovereignty.

This is what liar in chief Lavrov said about Budapest.

Lavrov was asked how, given Russia’s violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and its failure to observe international agreements, Russia’s neighbors should feel secure. He responded: “If you’re referring to the Budapest Memorandum, we have not violated it. It contains only one obligation—i.e., not to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine. No one has made any threats to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine.”

This is proven to be a pack of lies here:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2016/01/28/mr-lavrov-russia-and-the-budapest-memorandum/

And before you add in any more deflections and smokescreens, this is where you were checkmated last time:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119293475/#Comment_119293475

Russia started all the shenanigans with violating Budapest when Ukraine started signing agreements with the EU.

Since then they've been spinning every lie under the sun, including blatant lies about the contents of Budapest, to try to justify keeping Ukraine in its orbit as a vassal state like Belarus.

Totally.

And it was Russia's violations of Budapest that pushed Ukraine closer to joining NATO. And as we have seen, this latest illegal act of aggression has pushed Sweden and Finland into joining NATO. Because Russia has demonstrated unequivocally for all the world to see it will not respect international law or international agreements and can only be stopped or deterred by overwhelming military force.

And what, "The Germans" weren't waging war, it was their government? So Germans and German society should have been left unfettered to carry on as normal even as their armies marched across Europe?

Meanwhile in the real world.

The EU is already targeting "The Russians" with sanctions.

If your country is waging an illegal war of aggression against a European country. You don't get off scot free. Unlike innocent Ukranians, they are not being bombed in their homes or executed on the side of the road. They are having visas denied. Oh the horror of it all.

Spare us the crocodile tears.