What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

No limit as in the number of people who are eligible for the medical card, in contrast to your opinion that there was any need to get people out of the system to put more in… more being our new arrivals.

You’re showing me the total amount budgeted for healthcare in 2019, but that amount says nothing about the numbers of people who are eligible for a medical card. Spending on public healthcare I have no doubt you’re aware refers to more than just reimbursement of costs to provide healthcare services to medical card holders -

The number of medical cards rose from 1,478,560 in 2009 to 1,574,507 in 2018, an increase of 6.5%.  In 2018, nearly one third (32.4%) of the population had a medical card.  

The number of GP visit cards in 2018 at 503,650 was more than four times higher than the number in 2009 of 98,325.  One in ten people had a GP visit card in 2018.  

The number of people on the drugs payment scheme dropped from 1,587,448 in 2009 to 1,290,634 in 2018, a drop of 24%.  

By 2018 just over a quarter (26.6%) of the population were in the drugs payment scheme.

There was an increase of 20% in the number of people on the long-term illness scheme between 2009 and 2018, with the numbers rising from 127,636 to 281,075.  About 6% of the populaiton were in the long-term illness scheme in 2018. See Table 4.4 and Figure 4.1.

In 2019, 31.8% of the population had a medical card, compared with 32.6% in 2009.  The age groups with the highest medical card coverage were those aged 70 years and over at 74.6% followed by those aged 65-69 years at 43.2%.  The age groups with the lowest medical card coverage were those aged 25-34 years at 19.3% and 35-44 years at 22.1%. See Table 4.5 and Figure 4.2.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-sdg3/irelandsunsdgs2019-reportonindicatorsforgoal3goodhealthandwell-being/healthcare/

Must be all them “fighting age males” 😂

Of course the money comes from somewhere, it comes from the Exchequer.

whereyourmoneygoes.ie is a great site for anyone who wants to know… well, where their money goes, as it comes from public funds, and in 2021, spending on health was down from 2019 at €21.9Bn. The other big hitters were spending on Social Protection at €30.3Bn, and Debt Servicing, EU Payments at €18.3Bn.

https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/2021/

We spend a paltry average of about €10Bn on Education every year. I’d be happy to see our Government spend twice that on investment in education, and they’re moving in the right direction with the help of funding from the EU for special needs education, DEIS funding increased and more schools qualifying for funding, and the the rolling out of digital technology in schools (hallefcukinglujah, not before time either, should have been done years ago!), funded again, by the EU -

https://merrionstreet.ie/minister_foley_welcomes_eu_nrrp_funding_of_63_5_million_for_school_broadband_and_digital_infrastructure_for_schools_to_support_students_at_risk_of_educational_disadvantage_through_lack_of_access_to_digital_infrastructure.170545.shortcut.html

https://rollercoaster.ie/kids/schools-education/government-gets-something-right-with-huge-investment-in-education/

https://www.fiannafail.ie/news/minister-foley-announces-32-million-major-expansion-of-the-deis-programme-incorporating-310-new-schools?hs_amp=true

I do hope that puts into perspective the amount of money provision for immigrants costs the State, and hopefully addresses some of your genuine concerns, in particular where all this money is going to come from to fund all this investment in Ireland’s future.

On a more personal level, I do hope your parents qualify again to have their medical expenses covered, and I am concerned about the fact that Ireland has an increasing elderly population that absolutely should be better provided for in terms of support and pensions and healthcare from the State, but that has nothing to do with what the State is currently spending in other areas like providing social protection for immigrants and people living in poverty who haven’t the means to provide for themselves. It’s not charity which motivates me to suggest that our Government needs to do more, it’s purely economics - invest more in our future now, and the benefits to Irish society in the future will have paid for themselves ten times over in terms of the kind of society we become. It quite literally comes down to paying it forward. Even people who have no money can make a contribution that adds value to society, and that’s far more productive than spending any time complaining about what anyone else is getting and they’re not. There’s a negative stereotype of Irish people as a nation of begrudgers, and if one were only to read this thread alone, their suspicions would be confirmed, regardless of the fact that there’s a mountain of evidence which would suggest otherwise. We’re one of the most giving and charitable nations in the world, and I wouldn’t want to change that or live anywhere else -

In 2018, 64% of Irish people helped a stranger in the month prior to interview; 64% also donated money to a good cause whilst 40% volunteered their time.

https://www.cafonline.org/about-us/media-office-news/ireland-the-most-charitable-european-country-in-the-last-decade-says-research

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40762482.html

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/travel/arid-40318733.html

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Gimp!

He just came here for a better life.

No country is importing or exporting people.

The rest of your post is just cherry picking bits which suit your argument and making broad generalisations from them. That’s called stereotyping and ‘guilt by association’.

Here in the West I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the concept, but it’s an idea which has served Western Civilisation well - innocent until proven guilty. It means that your stereotypes are based upon guilt by association, used to tar whole groups of people wrongly and seek to punish anyone for the wrongdoings of another based upon associating them with the person who has done wrong.

Asks what am I on about cherry picking, doubles down on your cherry picking declaring it to be fact. It’s not though.

For starters, you’re specifically focusing on “high-profile” cases, which are high profile because of the circumstances involved. So much for that whole nonsense narrative that the mainstream media aren’t reporting on crimes committed by non-nationals. In reality what’s happening is the mainstream media don’t report on cases which there is nothing extraordinary or extreme about them.

But that aside, you’re actually not looking at the crime statistics themselves, and in particular homicide and other serious offences in Ireland, the vast majority of which are committed by people known to the victim. For example, the number of recorded homicides in 2020 was 73, most of those committed by men, and one third of the victims were women -

Serious crimes against the person include homicide, sexual violence and physical assault. The suspected offenders for these crimes were largely men. Of the 73 recorded Homicide offences in 2020 which have been detected by March 2022, 65 or 89% of the recorded suspected offenders were males and just 8 or 11.0% were female. Within the category of Homicide offences, 32 males (86.5%) were recorded as suspected offenders of Murder or manslaughter compared to just 5 females (13.5%). There were 33 males (91.7%) recorded as suspected offenders of incidents of Dangerous driving leading to death compared to just 3 (8.3%) for females. See Table 4.1 and Figure 4.1.

Nearly all (97.7%) of suspected offenders of detected sexual violence crimes recorded in 2020 were males. Eight out of ten (80.3%) of suspected offenders of detected physical assaults and related offences in 2020 were males. See Table 4.1

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rcvo/recordedcrimevictims2021andsuspectedoffenders2020/recordedsuspectedoffenders2020/

In 2020, two out every three (68.8%) detected sexual violence crimes involved a male suspected offender and a female victim. This compares to a corresponding figure of 76.8% in 2019. See Table 5.1 and Figure 5.1.

Where a victim and suspected offender are recorded for a crime (i.e. for detected incidents) it is possible to link a victim and suspected offender to produce a limited profile (i.e. age and sex) of the victim and suspected offender relationship.

In Murder or manslaughter incidents recorded in 2020, the suspected offender and victim were both male in three out of four (73.0%) of cases and this was slightly lower than the rate of 74.2% which was recorded in 2019. See Table 5.1 and Figure 5.1.

In the remaining category - Attempts/threats to murder, assaults, harassments and related offences, the suspected offender and victim were male in nearly half (48.5%) of detected crime incidents. Within this category, it was much the same for Assault (49.1%) but quite different for Harassment and other related offences where the suspected victim was more likely to be female (63.0%). See Table 5.1 and Figure 5.1.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rcvo/recordedcrimevictims2021andsuspectedoffenders2020/linkagebetweenrecordedvictims2020andsuspectedoffenders2020/

There is nobody, absolutely not a single person, who is cheering on permitting anyone into the country for the purposes of committing criminal offences. That is not a fact, it’s a bullshìt narrative you just invented.

It would be like me suggesting you should be delighted the people you’re stereotyping are immigrating to Ireland - they’ll take care of that nasty male feminist and TRA infestation you have, far more expediently than that pesky legal system we have will get rid of anyone… 😳

But that’d be arguing in bad faith.

What about them? And none of your questions are an example of having to prove innocence under the assumption of guilt that a person is guilty of any wrongdoing either.

It would be like me accusing you of not being an Eastern European immigrant at all on the basis that your command of the English language is far superior to my own. Fortunately for you I’m aware of the fact that most Eastern European immigrants command of the English language is far superior to my own 😂

Ireland is making every mistake that was made in England & certain people think the end result will be different, it won't.

I saw it all start in the early seventies & now the areas I grew up in are unrecognizable & indeed after dark, no go areas.

Local people moved out, not because they are intrinsically rascist, but because English was no longer the main language in schools & their children were getting behind.

Gangs & knife crime are common place, but it's all been a great success.

Identity crisis.

A nebulous and obscure but vaguely obtainable sense of belonging based on race. Irish-Africans parrot British-Africans for the exact reason that British-Africans and West Indians parrot African-Americans - they represent a culturally relevant (i.e. culturally prominent) racially identical community in the “West”. To a lesser extent even French-Africans, despite linguistic distance, mimic African-Americans viz. the popularity of the NBA, attributable, in part at least, to French immigrant communities from Sub-Saharan Africa. Cultural commentators tend to reduce this phenomenon to cultural and social marginalisation but, academic politicking aside, I suspect that this phenomenon would persist regardless. Irish-Africans are, predominantly, the product of lax asylum policy and Jus Solis citizenship policy, in contrast to African-Americans that were the product of colonial chattel slavery or even British and French-Africans that were (originally at least) arguably the product of economic migration born of a colonial legacy, Irish-Africans are less a product of egregious victimisation than they are of egregious opportunism. In Ireland, that purported fabric of colonial cultural and social marginalisation is beyond threadbare.