FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

How long do want to keep this up Marko 🤔 another full day, a week 🤔 honestly get over your Faux Pas, it's not that terrible. Do you need constant reminders posters are not required to alter what's already clearly clarified or explain themselves to stop constant badgering, indeed answer any questions put to them particularly when someone repeatedly trying to deflect.

I've presented a point, clarified fully, what are you missing, it's baffling. It would seem you've put your foot in it, I get that, but I can't undo that for you. Can you please move on, I'm sure there's positive news you'd like to share with us, I tried finding some this morning and it's just Grim I'm afraid.

This why I think SF-FF has to happen it will be more likely to be some form of confidence and supply than full coalition. This would not be due primarily to a personal antpiathy to SF within FF, at a leadership level anyway, (I suspect even in Martin's case that was mostly hot air) but to a recognition that getting tied too closely to SF in the public mind would be an electoral disaster for the party.

Not sure if it was you I quoted this to before but

So while there would certainly be a lot of unease within FF about a deal with SF I don't see it leading to a schism

It's like you exist in an alternative universe where your posts are not confusing, rambling and badly put together to make whatever point you are trying to make.

OK, so there is little to no corruption in Ireland, is that your main point here?

I cannot see SF getting into government without FF, there is simply not enough centre-left and left wing votes out there for them to

a) get an overall majority

b) go into government with other left wing parties.

Oddly many in FF would be happy to go in with SF and more oddly FG would be delighted for it to happen.

Do you honestly not see how utterly preposterous your badgering looks, insults, deflections, jibes, innuendo don't change what you've said Marko, it's utterly bizzare you want to keep this up, actually extraordinary & becoming increasingly embarrassing for you, I'll save that latest post for posterity, Gosh, please move on, your going around in circles.

No Marko, your just waffling & it's Tiresome

Ah stop, 10 years to investigate the siteserv sale deal and Anglo. Beggars belief.

I think they should have been investigating the entire Irish Water superquango setup. There was ample evidence of shady dealings. Cronyism and Corruption galore.

For example...

Jerry Grant took over from Tierney at Irish Water. Grant was managing director of RPS from 2002 until 2012 before he joined Irish Water. Tierney was Dublin City Manager from 2006 to 2013. RPS advised DCC on the Poolbeg incinerator project which cost the state almost €100million with more than €30million going to RPS even though the original contract was for €8.3million. Nice. The EU found that his contract did not conform with EU law!! How did he get Irish Water gig when he failed so badly in DCC on Poolbeg?

Look at John Tierney's pension. When he joined Irish Water he made a deal that his pension (470,000) was payable as soon as his contract ended. In DCC he wasnt entitled to his pension until 60. He left Irish Water after 3 years aged 57. The special deal was signed off by Hogan. Lessons were promised at the time.

I could go on. All the contracts should be looked at.

Irish Water will spend nearly €86 million on consultants, contractors and legal advice (thejournal.ie)

Irish Water will spend nearly €86 million on consultants, contractors and legal advice.

IRISH WATER WILL spend just under €86 million on consultants, contractors and legal advice as part of an overall budget of up to €180 million to establish itself, the Oireachtas Environment Committee heard today.

Marko, please adjust your blindfold. More later on expenses and IW bonuses.

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"A glorious, god-awful mess has been made of Irish Water. We've ended up with a system now that no rational person would have invented if they had sat down to put this kind of system together. The hope must be that it will work lamely until some sort of coherent system is put in place."

Alan Dukes 2015.

Are you alleging corruption here or just poor governance?

With Irish Water setup? Corruption. 100%. With a good dollop of Cronyism. Nice baiting though 😂

You?

7 actually. It wasn't set up until 2015 but quite a while anyway. There is commentary that he had problems getting details from some of those overseas. We'll see in the report I suppose.

Where was the corruption? Show it to me, with evidence.

People see conspiracy and corruption everywhere... but in reality IW was mostly down to incompetence.

Don't forget it was Labour who mandated that all council workers who worked on water schemes be hired by IW, thus making a bloated mess of things.

Unfortunately (for you) they wont let me investigate and anyway I think they deleted a lot of minutes 😂

The setup was handy in terms of governance and oversight. Didn't Tierney refuse to answer questions on it...

Troubled water: Matter of time before Irish Water is submerged in another major crisis (irishexaminer.com)

Born under a cloud of opprobrium back in 2013, amid accusations of squandered State funds during its establishment and the almighty row over water charges, it was intended to revitalise the country’s crumbling water infrastructure. The utility is neither fish nor fowl; it’s run on a commercial basis, as a subsidiary of Ervia, but, since it can’t collect water charges from households, it’s publicly funded.

Despite the public funding — to the tune of €1.4bn in 2021 — the utility is exempt from audit by the Comptroller and Auditor General, the State’s accountant, with private consultants Deloitte instead doing the honours since 2014. More recently, some of the strains of that particular public/private contradiction have begun to show.

There are no records of some meetings Phil Hogan had about Irish Water (thejournal.ie)

NO RECORDS OF what was said during two meetings between Phil Hogan and Bord Gáis over Irish Water in the summer of 2012 exist, it has emerged.

RTÉ’s This Week programme reported yesterday that there are significant gaps in information about what was discussed between Bord Gáis and the Department of Environment in the first six months of the roll out of Irish Water.

When controversy arose over the new semi-state’s spend on consultants earlier this year Hogan told reporters on 15 January that he was not specifically aware of how much was spent on consultants.

Just when Siteserv was being investigated (after they won the metering contract)

NEW: Transcript Proves Hogan Misled Oireachtas on Set-up Costs of Irish Water (fiannafail.ie)

Fianna Fáil Environment Spokesperson Barry Cowen has provided evidence to the Dáil that the Environment Minister Phil Hogan misled the Oireachtas about the set-up costs of Irish Water.

Deputy Cowen has provided a transcript from the Oireachtas Environment Committee in November 2012, showing Minister Hogan outlining set-up costs for Irish Water of €10 million. This came three months after we now know that the Economic Management Council had secretly approved funding of €180 million to set up Irish Water.

Deputy Cowen Explained, “Either Minister Hogan deliberately lied about how much taxpayers’ money was being spent on setting up Irish Water, or he accidentally gave a gross underestimation to the Oireachtas Environment Committee in November 2012. Either way, we now know as a result of yesterday’s PAC meeting that when Minister Hogan publicly stated that the cost would be €10 million, he knew that €180 million had already been committed three months previously.

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And the best part is that FG wanted to privatise our precious water!