Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Are you confused about the thread?

Are you giving out about asylum seekers or about Ukrainians who have been granted temporary protection of the EU? Because it is two separate issues - as much as the anti-Ukrainian-suddenly-concerned-for-students-crowd who pretend not to understand the difference.

A Ukrainian can be legally here and entitled to certain things by virtue of the fact that they are Ukrainians who lived in Ukraine. They don't need to "spoof" anything.

It was taken directly from a place hosted by Ukrainians giving advice to other Ukrainians on how to take full advantage of Irelands generosity.

I also joined a telegram you can see all the ads for cheap travel anywhere in Europe etc, an industry has already sprung up all round them.

Mary you wont bother yer arse joining and checking yerself will you?

Easier to sit on the sidelines and accuse yer fellow citizens of being bad uncaring people.

I dont have a problem with a reasonable level of support for a reasonable number of refugees. BUT don't take the mickey.

Yes, saw plenty of comments like that. We are here now. We shouldn’t have to move for the students and zero fcuks given about where the students will live.

Nearly every single comment on all these accounts revolves around what they can get for themselves.

Last one I just read was a woman asking when her daughter finishes her final year of college in Ukraine next year, can she come to Ireland as a refugee then?

Hadn't looked at it in a week or two.

But still the same shite.

Every post is either how can we get here or money , money , money.

How many hours can I work before I loose benefits. No interest in full time work at all.

One just posted there, If I find an apartment, how can I get the government to pay for it.

All the replies then advising them exactly what to do.

Cute hoors the lot of them.

Don't know how anybody can think handing out all this free **** is a good idea. Once they get it they will come to expect it for everything in the future.

Joke.

So how do people think this will end ?

say hypothetically on June 23rd next, somebody puts a bullet in Putin, a legitimate election follows, regime change and the Ukraine war / invasion is brought to and end, Russia pull out.

the 140,000 ( realistic guesstimate ) Ukrainians that by then will have arrived, will want to return home ? ! I’d say more than 70% will want to stay. Will try to stay,

Even if around 40,000-50,000 want to return immediately, how do they go about getting home ?

are the Irish taxpayers likely to be burdened further… pay for the chartering of aircraft to repatriate these people ? That’s a six figure cost per flight, when fuel, maintenance, landing fees, crew, maintenance, navigation charges and a profit for the airline is factored in !

how does one deal with people who are adverse to leaving of their own free will ? They will likely go to ground, resist belligerently… will or would we potentially see Gardai having to force evict and deport….

my own guess is none of the above, my own guess is an amnesty and passports and citizenship granted….my own guess is many who have returned to the Ukraine would argue that they’d be entitled to the same though, so what then…?

it’s a right fûcking mess we’ve gotten involved with….

seems whereby the EU, our government of the day were positive to put their hands up from the get go… nobody really factored in the end game, the impact to Ireland and its citizens. The ‘out’ …

our constitution determines that…… ‘The constitution asserts the "inalienable, indefeasible, and sovereign right" of the Irish people to self-determination’

….we don’t have self determination, we are even dissuaded from utterances and opinions that challenge the narrative as above …..or anything pro wellbeing of Ireland and Irish people.

What’s boiling a lot of peoples piss is the uncertainty.

ok nobody can predict timeframes or what further dangerous low Putin might fall to, But to leave citizens of this country in limbo where we’re have had Martin and Varadkar just stoop to smiling and shrugging shoulders at the people whist enabling decisions that they know will impede our wellbeing.

Ireland doesn't exactly have a good track record of deporting people though does it, I can't picture the government getting a hold of this situation in a hurry. There's too much money to be made for too many people, the local hotel is taking in 200 in the next week, it was closed for the last few years and left to rot until the owners heard about the money they could make, it's been all refurbed and ready.. They are recruiting for full time chefs, to cook three meals a day presumably for these people.

The students accommodation situation has shook me though of course it was going to happen, my daughter is a year away from college fingers crossed her exams go well and since she was a toddler she has wanted to be a nurse and like any parent I've been building towards her future but I'm starting to worry about it. She has started driving lessons and fingers crossed she can commute and to be fair despite the distance at least we have that option!

You might want to tell the Red Cross and the government that as they are asking people to do just that rather than lecturing us while you don’t do anything yourself.