Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

I don't know either! I was just thinking that certain developments were given planning permission for student accommodation only (I think....), and since they are now changing that to general rental it might change the basis of the planning permission that was granted.

I just wondered, and you could be right.

Repeating bullshit doesn't make it true.

First, many millions are internally displaced and are being accommodated in western Ukraine.

But secondly, there have been many missile attacks on civilian targets, including those in "safe" "non-combat" areas. If your country was being illegally invaded, would you be happy moving your family from Dublin to Limerick, because Limerick is probably going to be safe?

How short people's memories are. It's literally only a couple of months since the 64km-long RuAF convoy was approaching Kyiv. They got as close as 30km from the centre of Kyiv and only aren't there now because of the fierce resistance they encountered combined with luck with the weather bogging down their main convoy.

• Odesa is on the Black Sea but nowhere near Donbas - repeatedly attacked with cruise missiles.
• Vinnytsia is in central Ukraine - attacked with rockets last month.
• Kremenchuk is also in central Ukraine, nowhere near a combat zone. A shopping mall attacked with missiles, during the day.

There are many more examples.

Finland and Sweden are now clamoring to join NATO. Why? Because they don't trust Russia to confine their expansion to the Donbas region (after they'd already annexed Crimea!). I think ordinary Ukrainian citizens, then, are perfectly justified in not hanging around in what boardsies deem to be "safe" areas.

Good jaysus.

Figures and "estimates" pulled out of your arse.

"All those refugees over here. It's terrible." and in the same post lamenting the cost of repatriation flights. Six figure sums per flight?! Get up the yard. It's amazing Ryanair can fill a flight with tickets at €20 a pop, so, and still make a profit. But you've done the maths... 🙄

In all fairness though Strumms, you factored in maintenance twice, which is bound to jack up the cost a fair bit 😁

are the Irish taxpayers likely to be burdened further… pay for the chartering of aircraft to repatriate these people ? That’s a six figure cost per flight, when fuel, maintenance, landing fees, crew, maintenance, navigation charges and a profit for the airline is factored in !

Flights right now on Skyscanner, Dublin to Lublin in Poland, for €43. For flights in early September. It's a 3-hour flight. Not 5, not even 4. Add on another 25%, being generous, to get to western Ukraine, say Lviv. €54. 190 seats on the plane - cost is €10,260. Are Ryanair flying at a loss? No fuckin' way. Let's round up to €15,000 and assume the plane flies back completely empty but still charges the IRPP or DoJ or Red Cross the same to cover fuel. We're up to €30,000. Max.

Obviously, though, they'd be using charters, at scale, for considerably less than commercial passenger rates.

No "six-figure sum", though, even at fully commercial rates.

Want to keep digging or do you want to admit you're talking through your arse?

If there is zero value (cost to the user) then it can easily be discarded. If however you compare this to a foreign student that has paid to come and learn english they won't discard or walk away from the item/service that they paid for.

Good save 😁

Even if your figures were even close to being accurate, which they’re not, because we have no idea of how many will come in, how many will leave of their own accord, how many will be asked to leave, or how many will be deported, the Irish Government won’t be on the hook for the full cost of anything in any case, let alone the cost of pre- or post-flight maintenance checks in either Ireland or Ukraine. It’ll be a coordinated EU effort.

I don’t even see any sort of ‘end-game’ tbh, certainly not one that would start with anyone getting within an asses roar of Putin anyway (a drone strike and hope to minimise casualties would seem like a better bet), let alone the idea of 150,00 Ukrainians coming to Ireland, or 50,000 returning home from Ireland.

It’ll probably take a couple of years for the figures to stabilise around 100k, by the time Ukrainian refugees are reunited with their families here, given that the vast majority who are here already are lone parents with children -

• As of the week ending 10 July 2022 there have been 43,256 Personal Public Service Numbers (PPSNs) issued to individuals from Ukraine under the Temporary Protection Directive.
• Women aged 20 and over account for 47% of arrivals to date, while individuals aged 0-19 (both male and female) account for 37%. 
• The highest percentage of those arriving (39% or 17,034 individuals) were categorised as 'One parent with children' under the broad relationship classification headings used. Note that spouses/partners may have stayed in Ukraine.
• As of 10 July 2022, of the arrivals that attended employment support events arranged by Intreo Public Employment Services, 66% were noted with English language proficiency being a challenge in securing employment.
• Of the 13,514 arrivals who attended an Intreo event, 9,645 had recorded previous occupations with "Professionals" being the largest group at 33%. Of the 9,744 persons where the highest level of education was recorded, 69% had achieved an NFQ level equivalent to 7 or higher.
• Based on administrative data currently available to the CSO, of the arrivals from Ukraine aged 18 and older, 91% showed activity in administrative data after 31 May 2022.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/p-aui/arrivalsfromukraineinirelandseries4/

Thank you 🙂 I keep thinking it's a year away and hopefully things improve but services only ever seem to go one way in this country!

Some posters on Facebook have talked about flying back to Ukraine for various reasons but another post just yesterday was a woman talking about going to France on holiday with her daughter. Another was a host family enquiring how long they could leave the country because they were off on their sun holiday and offered to bring the Ukrainian family they were hosting with them.. Some people have made very kind gestures! But yes, they aren't necessarily going to Ukraine some have taken holidays or said they were visiting family taking refuge in other countries. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of it just pointing out the different situations :)

Ahh I wouldn’t be over-reliant on the CSO anyways, they do that a lot - removing fields and representing and interpreting the data in all sorts of… interesting ways 😂

But for the purposes of a discussion on Boards where there is absolutely no chance of influencing social policy in any way, shape or form whatsoever, they’re handy enough to retrieve without going to too much trouble.

I’ve never tried it, but you could run the page you’re thinking of through archive.org and see if it has a cache of the CSO data. Seems unlikely though, probably better off rifling through the CSO archive itself -

https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/nationalaccounts/archive/

In fairness ‘tis no wonder there was tumbleweeds 😳

Definitely, and wouldn't lots of us love a holiday away to France? My holiday was a staycation in my garden 😂

Actually I'm surprised to read its 21 days you can leave the country from on welfare I didn't know for sure but always believed it was 2 weeks for some reason!

What a shitshow led by the pathetic government and their enablers.

Try his: https://archive.org/web/

It’s a web archive. You can pull from previous dates.