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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,446 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The Russian Army maybe finished (or not) long term, but currently they are far from it. If they were Ukraine would have already chased them out of Ukraine and Crimea all the way back to the Red Square in Moscow. Best case so far from the Ukrainians is that by next march / spring they will have amassed enough troops and equipment to start a major pushback. So while we are seeing heartening good news about massive destruction of Russian military assets, we will need to see a whole lot more of it before we can start to even think that the Russians are defeated. I would definitely not be writing them off just yet. Down the road? Yes. But not just yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    This 100%. The Ukrainians will be praying for a very mild winter in Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The 2+ years of COVID will also play a part in the mentality of people, there is a lot more resilience built in now that wasn't there before 2020.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I agree energy dependency on Russia has to stop but what’s the alternative for Germany?

    Where are they gonna source alternative NG?

    100% renewables aren’t the answer until the, mass storage at grid level, problem is solved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That depends on how the EU pulls together and shares resources & pain insofar as possible. Even though we get gas supplies from UK and Norway, already talk that we may have to soak up some shortfalls as well. At least we tend to have milder winters than central Europe. Be interesting to see what happens here with carbon & other taxes on solid fuel heating like coal in the autumn. Despite Green's best intentions, may need to be a moratorium and campaign to use more coal for home heating where possible for expediency and to spread the energy sources.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    German gas storage is 75% full today a month ahead of emergency plan



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    The thing with Germany being stuck because their import infrastructure is pivoted to Russian oil and gas is that is also a two way street ..Russian export infrastructure is pivoted to Europe ...

    Their pipelines are mainly to Europe .. and their tanker terminals are limited ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Russia is not capable of replacing the European market at same volumes for gas and oil it would cost hundred billions to built pipelines to China (can’t reach India cause Pakistan) and Chinese actually cancelled existing project, ship exports are more expensive and not many ships want go near Russia

    to give an example oil in a month to India increased to a level that is 1/30th European exports and fallen since

    both India and China getting oil at steep discount too approaching the 40$ price below which Russia extracts at



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You're ignoring that that the US and Joe Biden are effectively leading the war against Russia and shaping how it is being conducted, not Germany. Therefore the Germans will be in no position to push Zelensky to sue for peace, they are effectively only bit part players.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Europe is supporting Ukraine in many different ways. The US have only really one. Germany will be very big players when Ukraine wants to push on with its intention to join the EU. Any State opinions advocating peace comes with a implicit understanding it will be on Ukraine's terms.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I wonder will the opinion poles change though as winter starts to take hold?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    That’s good news.

    How much storage (in days) do they have?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    That’s good to know.

    The sooner the better this all ends hopefully in a scenario that suits Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Not sure but Russian exports of gas to Europe collapsed (I posted graph in parallel thread) and whatever storage there is is filling well ahead of schedule

    Germany is main problem as they don’t have LNG terminals

    we in Ireland of course are same (thank you Eamonn) but at least have the UK who have a glut of lng gas atm



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    That’s also good to know.

    The Russians must be bleeding money (and soldiers+equipment).

    So hopefully if Germany makes it through this winter (hopefully it’s mild) Russia will be running out of money at that stage.

    This energy war could be Russias last card to play?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    It’s absolutely nuts that Germany doesn’t have an LNG terminal.

    Crazy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They would have at least 80 days for the whole country at 100%. Germany’s new storage targets were set at 75% for Sept. 1 and 85% for Oct. 1. Their final target is 95% by Nov 1st. That will largely see them through the winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin



    Above is a direct quote of what a Russian who is 15 years in Ireland thinks about Ukraine from parallel thread, actually proud of looting of another country

    Europe needs visa bans yesterday as this thread so eloquently puts it




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If it wasnt for the Yanks (featuring the Brits) Ukraine would be gone. Germany and France, sorry the EU, remained firmly affixed to the fence until it was apparent that Kyiv would not fall.

    We've already seen Germany and France track record on peace negotiations. Brexit and the war in Ukraine has shifted the balance of power in the EU. Central Europe is becoming far more important and far more cohesive as a block due to the war. The EU/France and Germany, won't be too crazy about a massive country like Ukraine joining and shifting the scales even further, given that they will remember just who had their backs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    *Cough cough.

    What's that just to the East of Donetsk? There was a chance to secure European Gas by arming Ukraine to the teeth much quicker than has happened. Still need to keep Russian mits off it for obvious reasons. I mean the pipes are already traversing Ukraine from Russia. Just need to change the source.



    Excluding Russia’s gas reserves in Asia, Ukraine today holds the second biggest known gas reserves in Europe. As of late 2019, known Ukrainian reserves amounted to 1.09 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, second only to Norway’s known resources of 1.53 trillion cubic meters. Yet, these enormous reserves of energy remain largely untapped. Today, Ukraine has a low annual reserve usage rate of about 2 percent. Moreover, more active exploration may yield previously undiscovered gas fields, which would further increase the overall volume of Ukraine’s deposits.

    The Forgotten Potential of Ukraine’s Energy Reserves (harvard.edu)


    One of the lesser spoken about reasons for the invasion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭paul71


    Dyr, your anti-eu rhetoric is tiresome, if anything shows it just shows you that you bought part of the propaganda over the last number of years from the Kremlin.

    Brexit was designed bought and paid for by Russia. So was Trumps election. Those 2 events were the prelude to the Ukrainian invasion and the date was set as a "now or never" by Putin, because he had judged that Brexit and Trump (and his failure to get re-elected) had by the point of the invasion reached a highpoint and that was as far as his efforts to damage western institutions would go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,884 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Taking that at face value, kind of sad if he/she's doing it for free.

    Suppose posting bull on the internet (here) is alot cosier and easier way to support Russia's war efforts than joining the military (!), or becoming a goon for Putin in occupied parts of Ukraine.

    Probably loads of job openings in both areas for committed invasion supporters in the West if they wish to go home & take them up. Pigs may fly, hell will freeze over...

    Would be nice IMO to see some of them sent packing anyway, certainly not let in (so easily) in the first place as its far easier to avoid problems than fix them later.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I think you'll find there's a conspiracy theories forum for this sort of Trump Derangment Syndrome stuff. Or a dedicated thread at least.

    No rhetoric, just facts. The EU didnt cover itself in glory when Russia invaded and even now is noticeably similar to Germany in caution on applying pressure to Russia. Unlike the Central European States.

    On the subject of Russian Propaganda, I believe there was a few people on here touting Austria for unbiased analysis Like Russia has made a good feal of effort of inserting itself into Austrian institutions, as they did with Germany:

    "YouTube has deleted a video of the “Coordination Council of the Organization of Russian Compatriots” (Council) holding a seminar for the Vienna police in late June.

    The videos, initally published by the Council itself, unleashed a wave of criticism of the Vienna police, who were accused of offering a stage for Russian propagandists.

    The Council later deleted the video, but it was uploaded by Ukrainian disinformation expert Dmytro Zolotukhin to the YouTube channel of his organization, Insititute for Postinformation Society. Later, YouTube deleted this video upon a copyright complaint of the Council and issued a warning for Zolotukhin’s YouTube channel.

    Thus, proof of the seminar accused of whitewashing Russian aggression amid Russia’s war was deleted from YouTube. However, Zolotukhin uploaded it to Vimeo, where it is less likely to be pulled.

    In an investigation of the activities of the Council, Zolotukhin uncovers that they are closely linked to the Russian embassy in Vienna and are part of a network of Russian soft power influence operations in Austria, partially financed from the Russian state budget via the Institute for Russian Abroad and Russian World Foundation. "



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    The Rise of Poland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But Germany is still only part of a much larger coalition (which includes non EU countries like the US and the UK). The idea that they will be the ones who decide how and when the war ends is rather far fetched. What clout would Germany have over Joe Biden? Biden is clearly going to base his decisions on the US's strategic and geopolitical interests, not the energy situation in Germany.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Russian Navy TU-154 enroute to Kaliningrad...





  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nobody has suggested they will but they will still continue to voice desires for peace because that is what nations do. The EU have stated more than once that any peace will be a peace that satisfies Ukraine. The German energy issue is being resolved quite quickly it seems, and by next Spring will not be a problem anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    The closer we get to winter the more the German's will buckle. Not looking good for them, at all.



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