Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

it would be better for the planet.

Of all the attempts to shame anyone who doesn’t agree with you into silence, that has to be the ultimate gotcha! Well done Sir/Ma’am 😂

I think I would be in the elite category for scrolling. Based on the practice I get bypassing OEJ’s posts 😂

The evidence of a rise of so-called “MRA” types would beg to differ Podge - people who constantly play the victim as though women being regarded as equals in society has actually come at the expense of men.

I say people, because it’s not just men who portray men as the victims of women being regarded as being of equal status in society, there are women involved in portraying men as victims too. They noticed alright, but thankfully people don’t pay them that much attention, because they see their efforts for what they are, much like many of the grifter types who are making bank off stoking the ‘gender’ and ‘culture’ wars.

Let's just take the line of thought to the end and skip all the "segregationist" in-between bit then.

That’s not taking any line of thought I’ve suggested to it’s logical conclusion? What you’re doing is like suggesting that the logical conclusion of giving anyone a baseball bat is that they won’t use it for the purposes for which it is intended. Just because that’s a thing in American fraternities doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t let anyone play baseball, or go to college for that matter, lest they be “initiated into manhood” by a small number of fcuknuggets who imagine themselves as being descended from Greek nobility.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazing

Contact sports by their very nature involve a degree of safety risks, and measures to mitigate those safety risks which have developed over time to include changes to the rules, protective headgear and so on.

There may well be few transgender athletes right now who wish to participate in the men’s competitions, but they do exist, and there are a couple of reasons why they aren’t more visible in sports -

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/18802987/mack-beggs-transgender-wrestler-change-laws-watch-wrestle-boys

I’d liken it to the observation that there aren’t many openly gay men in soccer and there are some plausible explanations -

• No interest in playing soccer
• Being made to feel like they don’t belong in soccer
• The perception that soccer is a man’s game, for the manliest of manly heterosexual men to engage in all manner of homoerotic rituals and they’re just not into that sort of thing
• Risk of being outed
• Risk of physical, mental or emotional abuse
• Risk of being injured

I’ve no doubt everyone has their own individual reasons for why they do or don’t wish to participate in any given sports.

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying that trans men don't compete with men in contact sport because of the risk of injury to them.

There's also a factor of the trans man having less strength and stamina meaning they have to work much much harder to keep up.

I suspect its those two factors that discourage trans men from competing with men. It's worth noting that the IRFU will permit this, subject to assessment to ensure the safety of the trans man.

When asked to use your imagination you default to considering someone with a different opinion to you to be a bigot.

Says more about you tbh.

Why has someone gone and made that list? Is it because when it happens it's because it's exceptional?

When Billy Jean King beat Riggs (world no.2 at the time), she was 29, he was 55.

If there were no difference there would be no need for segregation by sex at all? Is that what you want?

The list includes a WWE participant who won a staged fight ffs.

Have to admit, I balked at that entry myself 😂

For me the whole idea of comparisons and lists and broad generalisations about men and women is just ripe for cherry picking, ignoring the reality that there are a multitude of factors which influence anyone’s attraction to any sport in the first place, let alone the idea of whether or not they could be considered talented enough to be competitive, and whether it was possible to develop that talent to drive them to elite status in the sport or sports or whichever events they chose to compete in.

These sort of pound for pound boxing and athletic sprinter times and all the rest of it would under no circumstances constitute credible scientific evidence of anything. It’s literally either too broad, or too specific, but in most cases the comparisons simply lack context, which is why an entertainment industry masquerading as a sport throws up the sorts of anomalies like Chyna and that other Irish wrestler, Becky Lynch, who refers to herself as “The Man” -

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-why-becky-lynch-called-the-man

Whatever floats your boat I guess 😒

Whether you feel it carries through to desegregation of the sports, you should at least be able to acknowledge it carries through to defeating the blanked statement made earlier.

This is a nonsensical statement. If they are like for like competitors they have like for like strength.

Yet you all argue edge cases at the top 1% of competition sport like Usain Bolt as well to exclude trans athletes at all competitive levels from the competition. Thanks for helping me illustrate.

Zhang Shan just stopped existing after you scrolled through the listicle?

Anti-evolutionist? 😊

You've told me you haven't read the thread, without telling me you haven't read the thread.

Everyone should compete against everyone. Good enough for war, good enough for football.