Is it too late for Europe and the World. There is fires everywhere.

Including you.

As I said in another thread, if you were sincere you could begin a movement (e.g. a homesteading movement) and start growing your own food, weave your own clothes etc.

You would 'love' to force a lower standard of living on people but you have no practical interest in living a modest, sustainable lifestyle yourself either to set an example which might catch on and become popular or just for the goodness of it.

The climate change thing seems to be an excuse for an insipid form of anti-natalism. You can't or won't live in harmony with the earth, but you can remain childless. That's your choice but don't interfere with people who do want to start families.

Even at that, leisure travel is only a subset of that. Reducing business travel and usage of private jets needs to be done before you start asking people not to go on holiday

This is something of a myth. A single scientific paper made a prediction based upon poor analysis and was quickly refuted. Unfortunately it was latched onto by a few news outlets and the rest is history. Meanwhile there was already a growing consensus that global warming was underway.

We enabled China and Russia by outsourcing production and energy supplies to both ignoring the fact they aspire to none of the values the EU sets out. We are paying the price now.

Globally the level of pollution is the core topic. The environmental impact is the symptom and it can be argued night and day from there. In Ireland we should have pristine beaches, rivers and lakes. That should be our number topic in my opinion and then work back from there. The sheer volume of pollution coming from China is something they need to deal with but we can influence that by phasing out trade with them at an EU level. The greens approach is to literally p1ss into the wind which is what infuriates most reasonable thinking people. Gas production in Russia emits massive amounts of methane as a by product which given their profit margins they couldn’t give a damn about. As painful as it is the quicker we stop giving money to these corrupt regimes the sooner we reduce their power.

The solution to reduced pollution is reduced consumption this has an impact on our economic balance and that is inescapable because we have engaged in platitudes and nonsense and not meaningful policies.

Shhhhhh. Don't say that too loud' you will offend many around here.

They are clearly the wrong scientists. If they are not calling it as climate catastrophe caused by man, they are clearly cranks.

yeah agree there will be a migration North and we need to get our heads around it,we can justify borders for economic migrants but not when where they currently live becomes effectively uninhabitable.

Ah so you have skin in the game of this climate nonsense.

Should have known that, disappointed I didn’t clock that one sooner

Basically you’re creaming it from putting fear into peoples lives.

I dont disagree entirely but it struck me that that a hill or high ground wouldn't be a great buy as some sort of long term hedge against mass migration, hotter temperatures, less rainfall.......it has a lot of disadvantages if you think about it

Good defensive position for when the mass influx comes to take your....nice view?.........thin potentially stony infertile soil, lack of water and shade and sparse vegetation?