How can we integrate Unionism into a possible United Ireland?

Some unknown belligerent exclusionary nationalist poster on here made a case against the federated solution, but now a respected figure out there in Andy Pollak has put it on the table, a man who both sides can at least respect.

Keep burying your head in the sand along with the other belligerents, and you will be left out of the real discussion.

If it's such a good idea, why isn't anyone out there campaigning for it? Lead the way blanch. You suggest it enough, you'd think you'd have a following for federation/confederation/condominium/independent NI at this point. (delete as appropriate to what one you feel the need to discuss this week)

You know why it is unpalatable to him. It's for the same reason the DUP rejected it and still do despite looking for it to protect them. Partitionists never thought the day would come and are now looking to re-negociate by putting their weight behind 'perfect solutions' and calling anyone who disagrees 'exclusionary'.

The ABAUI = The Anything But A UI party, let's not put a tooth in it.

Its incredible that after all FG's pandering to Unionists/Loyalists that they still made credible threats to him. And more incredible still that it was given very little mention in dublin media. Now why would that be.....

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/more-loyalist-graffiti-targets-varadkar-and-dup-as-tensions-rise-40038885.html

A second graffiti message targeting Leo Varadkar has appeared in south Belfast.

It comes after a loyalist threat to hang the Tanaiste was daubed on the wall of a convenience store on Drumart Square in Belvoir at the weekend.

The latest graffiti was written on the wall of a community building in Belvoir Drive and it appears to refer to the first message, which was titled 'An Ode to Leo Varadkar'.

The threatening poem, which was widely condemned and has since been painted over, had warned the former Taoiseach not to travel to Northern Ireland, saying: "Set foot in Ulster (sic), cross that line/We guarantee you will hang."

Its says a lot about unionism when it takes a crook like bertie to understand their position..

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/07/28/newton-emerson-bertie-ahern-understands-unionists-better-than-most/

I guess that sums up a lot of politics in the republic.

FF & FG are the biggest cheerleaders for partition as a United Ireland would see SF in single party government.

It is a particularly 2 faced existence for FF who still brand themselves the 'republician party' yet they support partition 100% as the alternative would see them out of government for a generation at least.

FG too, they commend and eulogise michael collins at every opportunity. He was possibly the biggest terrorist this Island ever produced.

Yet they turn their back on everything that went down during the dirty war the brits unleashed from the 60's to 1998.

Fine gael are about as much a "united island party" as they are a "law and order party".

In the inevitable United Island FG will have to merge with the DUP which will mean no more selfies for FG leaders under portraits of Republican terrorist Michael Collins.

Theres a reason the nonsensical shared island unit is under the taoiseach's dept. And close attention would want to be paid to how they spend that 500 million..

Plus michael martin appointing a bigot like ned o'sullivan to front it was a kick in the face to everything this Island should aspire to.

The days of SF being a single issue party are long long gone.

You could ask, what is the point of any party if you wanted to, as well.

Can't see a UI splitting them to be perfectly honest.

Sure but Sinn Féin have more old school support as well. I think the newbies would dominate the party given they were never close to this successful before but a small segment of the old heads would have the United Ireland as a core issue for them and would need to see where their priorities landed after that.

Not sure Ireland was ever actually a unified state as such. Before English rule there was a division of kingdoms in Ireland which would have had a cultural unity, and of course there was the Brehon laws, But Ireland was not without its internal conflicts. If the north left the UK and became part of the Republic then it would be totally new territory as Ireland has never been politically unified.

FF haven't had Irish unity as a central policy in a long time (quite frankly I haven't really been sure what the party stands for at any point but that is another issue). If you want Irish unity as a core issue you vote SF, not FF.

I should say I don't think SF will collapse under this. As I said a large proportion of their current vote is relatively new southern for whom Sinn Féin are the socially left wing party as opposed to an Irish Unity (they are both but in terms of what is most important to those voters) and they will stay past a UI.

The unionist vote will be interesting. How out of touch is the dup truly I wonder? I mean fptp helps get them votes but a lot of Unionists do seem pretty good at holding their noses to vote for people who are entirely off the wall in terms of modern life. Can FG get them without tanking the vote from the Republic? Similar to Ff they have never seemed to have a particular stance I could nail down but will obviously do whatever they have to for votes as you say.

You were right when you said you were "not sure".

It's been a while since we've had that well-worn Partitionist trope of Ireland never being unified. Cool.