General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

Not Manchester united's best hour of football

Cannavora was 5 9 , one of my favourite centre backs, played with a few who were small but read the game well and took no prisoner in comparison to some taller lads. thinks Matinez is 5 10

Roy Keanes analysis will be good, if hes doing match

McTominay os a piece of work. That’s 2 horrible challenges in a week now. He’s going to seriously injure someone soon.

The Brenford & Brighton managers would do a great job rebuilding Man U however they wouldn't even be given an interview.

Martinez if 5-9 (1.75m),so while I'm wont to defend anything United do there is no need to exaggerate.

It's hilarious though, 10 years this season without winning and getting further from winning it by the year. United looking to the past giving more influence behind the scenes to Fergie, Robson and McLaren apparently is going to see them languishing for another decade.

As a Liverpool fan in the 80s and 90s,I've seen this before, it's much more enjoyable this time for, but fvcking crazy stuff from United-so many bad decisions off the field in recent years, too many to list here really.

Things really have gone drastically downhill for Man United ever since the players stopped eating apple crumble & custard with their dinner last year. "What's Cristiano eating?"

Gary Neville needs to take a look at his ownership of a football club and how badly he and the other members class of 92 are running clubs and the damage they are doing to the lower leagues before they have a go at the glazers

It was bizarre that Sky Sports kept repeating that United had never been 4 goals down at HT in the Prem Lg. They were 4 down to Liverpool at HT last October, hardly an obscure event, was pretty memorable. Weird how they didn't correct themselves.

Hmmm. Not sure now.

Was out all day , didn't hear any scores until I switched on MOTD.

Funny stuff. Great to see the Utd crumble continue.

Erik, Ten? Ha!

It's not only just that they aren't putting money in, it's that they are taking money out. They are the only set of owners who take dividend payments out of the club at the top end of the game - £11m this summer. £23m last year so on...

The club has just had it's worst ever PL season with the squad in total need of a rebuild and they are there with their hands out.

If you want to judge them purely as business men, then fine. They have turned one of the biggest clubs in world football with one of the best squads and one of the most impressive stadiums / training facilities into a team getting played off the pitch against Bretford and Brighton while the stadium and training facilities fall into disrepair.

And they got there through a method that is now illegal in PL - loading the cost of buying the club onto the club. With the total debt of this ownership still at the same level 17 years later.

They aren't business men, they are opportunistic parasites.

Is it illegal now, a leveraged buy out?

Actually it is going to Vote in September apparently but should hopefully pass

https://news.sky.com/story/premier-league-weighs-ban-on-debt-fuelled-club-takeovers-12612619

Fernández is on loan at Preston for the season, strange to involve him.

What would it take to buy out the Glazers?

They would want close to £5B for the biggest club in the World since Chelsea went for £4.25B

Old Trafford needs to be rebuilt or a new stadium built that’s close to another £1B

The squad needs to be rebuilt over a couple of transfer windows that probably another £500m to a £1B

So you are looking at close to £7B from new owners who really has that kind of money to throw away as it would take a generation to make it back if they ever did

Also who’s to say they won’t do the same thing the Glazers have done and starting milking money out of the club when they see how much money the Glazers are getting out of it.

United's transfer spend is consistently in the top 4 so the problem doesn't lie in the amount but how it's spent. Juve for instance must be wetting themselves from their dealings with United.

Very reminiscent of the Hicks/Gillette Liverpool days with money thrown at flavour of the month players with no regards to how they fit. But as long as people could eat their official Man United peanuts on their official Man United mattress nothing else mattered to Woodward.

It was embarrassing what Redknapp was trying to do. You could see the frustration on Gary's face as he had to explain it once again to Jamie.

This is a long term issue at the club. It is not just down to this weekend or last weekend. The Glazers are ruining the club on and off the field. That's before we go back to the attempt of joining a super league boxed off from all competition so they can continue to milk the club without fear of it dropping too far down.

Honestly have no idea if Jamie is just on the wind up or he's just that dense.

Gary is spot on in everything he said. I only wish he had spoken up more previously.

Not sure Jim Ratcliffe does actually. Google has his net worth at 13.2 Billion but obviously that will be made up of assists he owns etc..

I think it would take a bid of ~5B to buy the club. Then the stadium + training ground need investing and so on. The deal would hopefully clear the Glazers debt in the 5B but we are still looking at close to half of Jim's total net worth at around 5-6B in total.

He won't have that just lying around and if he sells off assists to get the funds then he won't be worth anything close to his current value.

The problem we have really is Utd is worth so much money it is such a small pool of potential buyers without selling your soul to Oil states looking to sports wash.

I'd love it to be Jim but can't see it. Maybe if he could get a few more to invest with him but then billionaires don't tend to invest in things without some decent returns.

OK, I was wondering, because Burnley was bought up using a similar model last year as well.

I have to laugh as one of the posters above suggesting Keane is the answer to United'S problems, I'd absolutely love to see that! Be pure box office, and hopefully a fly on the wall documentary crew are involved too, because given his record it would be a complete car crash! They'd definitely be heading down to the championship with Roy at the Helm.

Sky must be wetting themselves though, having himself and Neville on as pundits. Both produce more heat than light, and all they do is rant about The United Way and how it was in their day 25 years ago. Its pure comedy, but it's not analysis and shouldn't be treated as such.

Neville has had a go at management (failed) and is now a (part) owner of a club, so let's see what he can do there, all they've done so far there is throw money from outside the club at it and distorted the transfer market at that level, while Roy..... Look, I won't go into his record less I be treated as some sort of troll.

I'm no fan of Ferguson, particularly his personality and stuff, but to be fair to him his status grows with every year he's retired.

It’s bizarre that they didn’t want Conte.

The Glazers have no problem spending money on players, they just don’t really want to put effort into modernising they club. They’re happy to give each new manager money but the current state of the squad is a mish mash of players previous managers asked for with some players no other top club wanted.

I’d put Conte in the same bracket as Klopp and Guardiola as a manager that players would be interested in playing for regardless of the club - like right now, for a top player, United just isn’t an attractive prospect. Not in the CL and 5 other projects in the league that are much likelier to be successful. Conte would have been a major plus point in convincing players to join imo. He may have been short term and ended up storming out but he would have been an ideal short term manager to improve the squad at least.

If they’re only going to go after yes men, it’s just going to get worse.