Democracy being slowly dismantled in America and the UK

I would say the looming Trump indictments for national defense Espionage to the contrary show the US may be on the road to recovering as a Democracy.

If more people vote for Trump and he wins, is that not democracy in action.

Rather than dismantled?

UK was never that democratic with its FPTP electoral system. There are only 15% of seats that are ever likely to change party barring a one-off shock. A vote for a minor party whether LibDem, Green or UKIP is wasted. UK would be in a better place if UKIP had 15% of the seats for the last decade - instead they infiltrated and took over the tories. Then you have the unelected upper house.

US isn't much better - 2 senators from every state so Wyoming and North Dakota get 4 while California and Texas get 4. Electoral College system means a Republican vote in CA is as wasted as a Democratic vote in Kansas. Then in the House, you have mass gerrymandering instead of seats apportioned depending on the state vote. Plus FPTP and two main parties infiltrated by extremists.

That never happened though. Even when he was elected president he didn't get the most votes.

Oh yeah dead right, I can't wait for Liz Truss to continue getting it dead right. Just like Boris got it dead right.

Only a few months ago plenty of posters here were just as dismissive of the idea that Russia would invade Ukraine.

A large proportion of voters in the US believe that the last election was stolen from them because a blonde dickhead told them so. Do you not see the danger in that?

The right wing have become obsessed with conspiracy theories, based on no evidence whatever, but as you suggest there is far more likelihood if anything that the pro-Brexit vote was dodgy. At the very least, even if there was no fraud around the actual vote, we know that the Brexit campaign was run on the basis of false promises and lies.

Apparently 70% of Republican voters believed until recently that the 2020 result was fraudulent. One would hope that this % will reduce in time given the recent FBI raid. Perhaps I am overly optimistic but my hope and expectation that the rump Trump supporters will consist largely of the extreme far right, delusional conspiracy theorists and the downright mentally ill, and people in the actual payroll of the Trump crime family. I can understand why people voted Trump in 2016, they wanted an alternative to politics as usual as represented by the likes of HRC, but the evidence that Trump's campaign base at a senior level is basically run like a criminal mafia is now overwhelming.

My fear is that the corruption of the UK and US by Russian oligarch money is even more than we currently know. Based on publicly revealed information, the situation is already concerning.

If it is correct that Trump illegally took privileged info in relation to the US's nuclear weapons into his private abode, then this is treachery in both the moral and legal sense, and also deeply concerning regarding what his motivation was and what he intended to do (or maybe already has done) withy the info. Apparently the FBI conducted the recent search under the Espionage act, which is serious stuff.

There isn't time to right the ship, unfortunately. The seats up for contention in the mid terms favour the Republicans, and once they have the numbers to cripple Congress entirely then it's all over bar the shouting. America's already had its last meaningful presidential election for the forseeable future.

There isn't going to be another January 6th though because next election all the safeguards that only just about held last time - electors, contested votes, etc - will give, they've been quietly seeing to it, slotting Q Anon loons into place. And people don't know or care enough about the mechanics of rigging an election unless you can explain it in two sentences, so the illusion of due process is all takes to get away with it, you can see it even in this thread.

Whoever the GOP chooses for the desk is a formality after that, whatever becomes of Trump himself.

The future isn't looking very bright for the US - or Europe by extension - I'm afraid.