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Why did Trump take top Secret Nuclear documents?

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  • 14-08-2022 12:58pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭


    Following the FBI raid it has emerged that Trump had taken multiple boxes of top secret documents relating to the US nuclear weapons program and kept them at his golf resort.

    When Trump was asked to return them, he deliberately failed to return these documents.

    Why did he do this?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,329 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Probably just to piss off the feds, he is the ultimate troll after all, he loves the attention as all trolls do. It’s their fuel.

    pretty much every US president when their term is up, just disappears into the ether, odd speaking engagement or charity lunch. Trump is on TV giving his jaw some exercise every few days… nonstop practically.

    google ‘Donald trump interview’…the borefest of a human is all over the place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,711 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    For the same reason he held payroll info for US spies.

    Of no practical use to him, but? Immensely valuable to regimes working to contain US influence and reach.




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,878 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Why did he take them ? I mean imo he did it because he’s never been told no in his nearly 80 years of life and that’s fine to a point when he was just a private citizen but when you’ve done what you like, how you like it all your life, with little to no consequences for your actions, then it’s not really a surprise that’s it’s come to this because he felt he could.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    The liberal WOKE media want you to think Trump took those top secret documents

    They were actually planted there by Hunter Biden



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    To clarify: the search warrant receipt that his lawyers signed showed a single box of TS/SCI (Top Secret material and Secured Compartmentalized Information, which is beyond top secret classification and is physical, inventory-controlled, airgapped intel) which was reported to be about 11 different articles of various things they can’t even otherwise confirm for reasons of national security but for which the media has anonymous sourcing suggesting it is nuclear weapon secrets as well as US spy and informant payrolls. Many military watchers are assuming signals intelligence too, which would reveal things like what secure communications the US is capable of decrypting and intercepting across the world. Information that, if leaked, could result in the immediate death of spies or informants, the damaging lost of signals intelligence sources, or even upend the status quo on Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine which, nobody needs to be told, is bad.

    For the moment we have no concrete proof of what SCI was taken and, ideally as regard the US, we will never have it confirmed. But DOJ has a 98% conviction rate and they wouldn’t raid TFG without having him dead to rights - either because informants at MAL tipped them off directly, or they accidentally returned some TS/SCI to the national archives earlier this spring (which was reported) or, even scarier potentially, they might have seen the TS/SCI leaked out in the wild since Trump left office.

    Wanna bet: he took a US top secret spy satellite photo of Mar a Lago? It would be so on brand of him. It’s not like he hasn’t leaked our spy sat capabilities and resolution etc. before. Perfect for his vanity, a lovely space-view of his “beautiful home”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So the answer seems to be either immense hubris that recklessly endangered us National Security, or treasonous intent.

    Neither are a good look for Trump or his followers.

    The legal consequences of this remain to be seen but I'm just baffled that he thought he could get away with it. Is this just more of his 'I could shoot a guy on 5th avenue and get away with it' mentality?

    I mean if he had even just photocopied the files and returned them he would have had a better chance of getting away with it than just taking the documents and keeping them...



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Don’t discount the possibility they WERE photocopies. Which would be a dead to rights situation. Making copies of TS/SCI? Snowden did this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    Lolz no they don't look at Obama he didn't disappear, neither did Clinton or Bush.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    One has to be quite simple minded to think that "Trump had taken multiple boxes of top secret documents relating to the US nuclear weapons program and kept them at his golf resort."

    He would have to be complete crackhead to keep incriminating evidence on his laptop and then willingly hand it over to total stranger...

    Oh nevermind, that is different story. Yeah, is he a crackhead to keep "nuclear weapons program" documents in his safe? Trump's safe is boring. I would be more interested to see what was in Epstein's safe.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, it's a matter of fact by looks of things so I concur, he has proven himself to not be the sharpest... Seems like you're trying to divert.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't know what you're trying to say here at all



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Because he is profoundly stupid and thinks he owns them. He does not and never has understood the difference between governmental ownership and his own because he thinks being president is like being a medieval king.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    But Hunter Biden/Jeffrey Epstein seems to be the gist of it



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,364 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Funniest post I've read in a while :) - genius!

    Would have worked even better if you'd said Hilary Clinton though.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Fox: “Judge who signed warrant had ties to Epstein case”

    Fox: “here to talk about Trumps political persecution please welcome Alan Dershowitz”



  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you link where the story of nuclear documents were found?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,329 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    imagine he was arrested .. be unbelievable



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,329 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    None are front and centre every few days in the national and international media… they disappeared in the national and international context…did work, certainly, not courting publicity and espousing critical views on subjects of national and international importance non stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Because his handlers asked him to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭screamer


    Because he could,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Everyone wants their golden parachute when they get kicked out of a job, trump was lining his pockets



  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Probably going to do a deal with General Zod to take down Superman



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    No?

    Well, Biden's laptop supposedly held a lot of "evidence" about whole family shady dealing not to mention juniors drug and hookers escapades but somehow nothing happened to anyone... Epstein's safe also rumored to be stuffed with video and pictures of his visitors engaging in some shady business with his underage "friends and employees" - nothing of that ever seen light of the day... Now Trump's cellar supposedly holding boxes of nuclear weapons documentation, someone even mentioned nuclear "codes"...Throw in Loch Ness monster for good measure which supposedly exists according to latest "news"...

    This all show how most of the public is gullible and lap up every craziness spouted around because "if it was in the news it must be true" :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,011 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    It would be great to see that Clown arrested and even better when he eventually goes to prison. He is the master of his own downfall.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Investigations happen because of evidence, there is nothing yet to be seem from a credible source about this supposed laptop with evidence . Still yet to hear anything but whataboutery from the right in defence of trump potentially trading top secret documents with adversary nations



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,728 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ex-presidents can make hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech on the after dinner circuit. True, it's not as much money as you'd get selling classified intel, maybe, but it carries no legal jeopardy either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Given trump's well documented inability to fill a venue, I doubt that's a bread winner for him. And he doesn't have much to say bar the debunked stolen election, the longevity of his speaking circuit wouldn't be great



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We know for a fact that Trump held documents that he wasn't legally allowed to have. Many of which put national security at risk. Hunter Biden has no relevance to the discussion. If Trump is charged, you'll probably go full q-anon with claims.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,728 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's not like he's getting a percentage of the box office on those kinds of speeches. It's a set fee for speaking at private dinners and gatherings. Considering Trump got more votes than any other Republican presidential candidate in history, I'd say he'd be able to get enough offers to speak for big money to make it worth his while.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump is photographed multiple times with Epstein.

    Alan Dershowitz was Epstein’s lawyer. He defended Trump through impeachment. He’s on fox while they argue about the judges ties to Epstein.

    Hunter Biden is being Grand Juried, so nobody needs to get their knickers in a twist about Hunter. The DOJ has a 98% conviction rate and it has open grand juries into Hunter and DJT both. Let that sink in.

    After he left office the national archives asked for missing material back. This January he finally relented. The archives received 15 boxes. They alerted the DOJ when contents included items marked Classified and Top Secret. The DOJ empaneled a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury issued a subpoena for any and all of the govts property in this matter. His lawyers signed an affidavit in June, affirming to the government that they handed everything back. Either through informants, subpoenaed CCTV footage, or both, they then discovered, this wasn’t potentially the case. This week, the Trump lawyers signed a search warrant affirming that they just returned to the government even more boxes of classified and top secret SCI that they previously attested they did not have. They’re fucked: ‘we affirmed that we have given you everything back’ …2 months and an FBI raid later ‘…oh wait no actually’




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