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Importing used campervan from Britain post Brexit

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    A lot has changed since I did it. The NOX charge for example I've no idea how that applies to campers.

    I used an agent in the UK, it cost £500 at the time and it was well worth it. You can get agents in Japan. Make sure it's a proper camper with a kitchen. Looks along the side for vents for a water heater or gas powered fridge. Look at lots of ad for van for sale in Japan or via sites that bought them at auction so you know the type and van and what's in them. Get to know the models and size of vans. Above all check you can get insurance on a camper before you but, if you have no car already or recent claims or are under 25 expect problems. Warning Jap vans will be heavy on Diesel like 12ltr to the 100 heavy so 200km will cost you 50 euro.

    You'll have to pay

    Auction bid

    FOB - Fee on boards price (shipping)

    Customs clearance agent about 200 euro

    Duty

    VAT on ( FOB +duty ) @ 23 %

    NOX

    VRT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭nd2no


    appreciate the info & tips - i did not consider the NOX charge as well!



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I'm looking for guidance on vrt rates for importing a 05 camper from Northern Ireland.


    In short the owner has assured me that only VRT is due and no customs or vat because its from Northern Ireland.

    I think vat is also due at 13.5% of the OSMP which is calculated by revenue and has nothing to do with HIS selling price.


    He maintains only 450 vrt is due, but I dont know where he got that figure from.

    Help us out please. Thanks


    kadman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    It's give the tax office in Rosslare a call



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭mikehn


    Any update on the Camper kadman. Did you buy, that VRT figure that you were quoted looked ridiculously low. Thanks.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    All the info I found says that there was vat and customs due on it, so I thought the rate quoted too, sounded too good to be the correct rate. So I left it there. I have noticed too in the last couple of months that classic vw campers seem to be dropping in price compared to 6 moths ago. I'd say winter time might be a proper time to buy one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭mikehn


    Thanks kadman, think I will stick with my plan B, namely doing a conversion myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Also noticed the drop in VW prices from their dizzy heights of a year ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Has anyone done this yet, it would be great to see a worked example from NI pre Brexit and NI or mainland post Brexit.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    Also interested to know how people are getting on post-Brexit. I'm looking at importing a caravan. No one seems to be able to give a definite answer on if VAT is required. If you bought anything anything else (bar a car/campervan) secondhand you wouldn't pay VAT. Any time I google it gives me the campervan answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    You're supposed to pay vat but it's quite easily avoided!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    Is it avoidable if you're going to CRIS register though? I think that could be the stinking point. Unless one said that they bought it privately in Ireland I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Back to campervans:

    Am I correct in saying the Import Duty and VAT are based on the actual sale price rather than the OMSP as per the VRT?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,504 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Utterly confused with the VRT process on campers at the moment. I'm looking to bring in a vintage camper (1993) and my questions are.

    Is it a flat €200 VRT fee as it's classic?

    Is VAT on the OMSP or what I pay for it?

    Is there other charges?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Mac128


    If you are buying a campervan from a dealer (business) in the UK then there will already be UK VAT in the price. If they export the campervan to a another country then the UK VAT rate changes to zero and VAT is then due at the point of import at the rate of the country it is imported into. But this may only be the case if it is a registered company in Ireland (with a VAT No.) that is buying the campervan i.e. an Irish dealer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭FR85


    Sorry to ask @MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 but did you ever get to the bottom of this or indeed follow through with the import? Looking at a mid 80's camper myself and I cannot make head nor tail of it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 jamesc99


    Good evening,

    I imported a Bailey caravan last year (summer 2022) it was second hand and I was required to pay VAT @ 23%. This ended up costing nearly €3000 extra when I included the ferry and travel expenses. Customs informed me that all caravans and campers must pay VAT , but if the caravan is manufactured in Britain you don’t need to pay the import duty. When I totalled everything up it would have probably made more sense to purchase something in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    You could have got away with that very easily by "holidaying" in NI on your way home



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    How did they know you’d just bought it and that you weren’t just coming home from a holiday? I’m just curious. I’m worried now if I ever have a caravan and holiday in the UK I’d have to prove it’s my caravan.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Law89


    just reading through the comments here its all very confusing, the revenue website is sh1te.

    I did contact a place in the north about purchasing a Motorhome and this is what they replied

    Once you buy a vehicle you present it with the invoice and registration certificate by appointment with your authorities, I'm told you have a period of 30 days to declare it. Your authorities will then value the vehicle and charge you V.R.T. which I believe is 13.5%. and of course the exchange rate on the day you transfer us the payment for the vehicle will dictate your cost in euros.

    Post Brexit your authorities are likely to also charge extra duty @ 10% and/or V.A.T. @ 23% on vehicles from outside Europe. As this vehicle was last registered in Northern Ireland and before Brexit you should not have either or both of these to pay, again their website is the best source of advice.

    so it sounds to me if you bought a camper in the north which was registered in the north pre brexit then no vat or customs ..... again would be grea if someone could actually clear this up ... the price of campers are crazy at the minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,504 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I'm still no clearer on the situation. I'm gonna ring revenue on monday to get a clear answer. I've 3 ads saved and I'm gonna get quotes for em all.

    Standard van.

    Van concerted to camper.

    Van concerted to camper but not registered as.

    To me, the VAT is straight forward but the VRT figure is lotto numbers. I'll have a fair idea of what the best way or best van is to import.

    There appears to be a saving (or at least I hope there is).

    Something such as THIS: with zero rust, mot'd etc can be got for around 3k sterling.

    Or you could have a similar van in ireland from some **** joker for...22.5k

    There simply has to be a saving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    3k seems very cheap for that. I am in some UK transporter groups are prices are still saucy enough for converted vans.

    Vat and import duty are calculated on the price you paid, including the cost to get the van to Ireland and the vat is paid on this price PLUS the import duty. These are only applicable if you can't prove the vehicle was NI registered prior to brexit.

    Then VRT is based on the omsp of the vehicle, which revenue pull from thin air pretty much. You have to pay this but can appeal after



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,504 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Yeah true. As it's a transporter shuttle on the particular van I quoted above VRT is close to 7k on it then add the customs and vat and in total a 3k van is in the region of 13. It's pure insanity what the revenue charge. Thats why personally Im focusing on an older van, vintage, it doesn't make sense otherwise.

    I'm still trying to find something info on a pre 93 van and what that entails for VRT/vat/customs



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I agree with the first point, the OMSP determined by revenue for my Rav4 was nearly 16k higher than what I paid. It wasn't possible to find an advert with a valuation as high they deemed. Yes I got money off through negotiation with the seller but I would have settled for them accepting the sellers advertised price, it is lunacy. Couldn't get them to tell me pre purchase and registration so foolishly took it at face value it wouldn't be far off the advertised price that was in line with many others.

    On the second point about our reg plate system, any snobbery is the fault of buyers, not revenue. It is a beautifully simple system and whoever thought of it should get a commendation for achieving something no other country in the EU has. The simplicity that someone can recall partials of an Irish number plate accurately are phenomenal in my experience, it is a wonderful system they ruined with the 1 and 2 for seperate parts of the year, need to get rid of that BS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The advantage of going vintage is that the mechanics are much simpler. Buy a vintage VW or Renault Master with the straight diesel engines and you should be able to do the majority of the mechaning yourself. Life expectancy on these engines can run to half a million miles with basic servicing. I do nearly all the mechanicing on my VW T4. Any more modern engine vehicle's and its a crap shoot if the servicing has been done and often missing a few service interval can shorten the life of the engine by years. Couple this to the fact that many mechanics hate working on modern diesels and will charge you an arm and a leg for the privilage. At €50.00 an hour minimum even simple problem can become cripplingly expensive to put right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,504 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Looking at vans in the UK. Mainland. I got this from the simi website.

    "VRT Category B – Light commercial Vehicles

    The rate of VRT applicable to Category B vehicles, subject to a minimum VRT of €125, is 13.3% of the Open Market Selling Price (OMSP)"

    Is that the total charge? Is there nox and duty on that too? Irish vans are absolute **** heaps for my budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    You still have to pay VRT on the OMSP of the camper once converted, you get a rebate of the commercial VRT off that.

    What most people do is the absolute minimum needed to get it passed a camper so that the value is low - and then do a second tier conversion once registered - could save you the price of the good conversion doing it this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Import duty of 10% of the sale price (including delivery/transport costs), then vat of 23% on the total of that and then vrt at 13% if whatever revenue value it as...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Interagro1


    If anybody has bought a van in the North could they share the percentage of the purchase price they paid in VRT. Example, buy a van for 22k Sterling = 26000 euro. VRT paid €5000 percentage VRT = 19.23%

    Assuming the price paid for the van was appropriate to the age, condition and mileage this would provide a good guide to what Revenue would charge.

    I'm picking mine up on Saturday and I'm bricking it wondering what the VRT will be



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Be careful! You may also be liable for vat and import duty.

    When was the van registered in NI?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Interagro1


    From new, it's 2006



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭mikehn


    Hi Fingers crossed for your Saturday date. I would be really grateful if you would post what the eventual import cost to you worked out at.I am looking at buying a similar aged van and its so hard to get a definitive answer. Thanks Mike.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29 sirdeclan


    Any updates on the Duty, Vat, and VRT on a camper/motorhome purchased in the UK and imported to Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Interagro1


    I have a VRT inspection booked for August 15th, I should get the bad news a few days later. Will post the numbers then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Are they doing this in the flesh, they did mine off the SQP reports photos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 brian.dunne


    @jamesc99 did you declare the import before entering Ireland or were you stopped by customs at the port in Ireland? Was the caravan CRIS registered in your name before you boarded the ferry in the UK? I have purchased a 2018 Swift Sprite from the UK pending a successful Hab check and I'm trying to figure out if the caravan needs to be registered in my name before I can board a ferry in the UK?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 brian.dunne


    Hi Everyone,

    I'm considering importing a caravan from the UK. I'm aware that I will need to pay VAT to import the caravan from Ireland. The caravan is a swift which is UK manufactured so I believe there are no tariffs.

    Has anyone on here imported a caravan from the UK post-Brexit? Do you know if the caravan needs to be CRIS registered in your name before you can board a ferry in the UK? Are there any other checks/paperwork that I need to present @ the UK port that I should be aware of?

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Assume there is a NOX component for VRT on campers also ?

    Edit appears not just 13.3%



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Interagro1


    Hi, I have completed the VRT on my campervan. It came back at 16.3% of the price I paid for the van. There was no VAT or import duty as the Van was NI registered. Hope this helps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 donalf


    Sorry if if this question has already been answered here. Ive asked a few different people and got as many different answers. Can anyone tell me the total amount of tax ( VRT + Import Duty + Vat ) I would have to pay on importing a used camper van from England ( Not NI). Im thinking of buying something like the van in the link below but need to know the total cost. Great if anyone has actually gone through the process post brexit. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/motorhome-details/202406050428123?advertising-location=at_motorhomes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Cant give a fully accurate answer even if we know what you pay for the van.

    You pay the UK price, then you bring the van to Ireland. On import you pay 10% of what you paid for the van (including the cost to physically get it to Ireland - ferry or vehicle transport). Then you pay VAT @ 23% on the price of the van including the 10% import duty (so a tax on a duty!). Then lastly you pay VRT at 13.3% but the catch is this is based on what revenue value the van as and has nothing to do with what you actually paid for it. Revenue could value a van like that at 100k and you'd have a €13k vrt bill. There's no way to find out what the revenue valuation will be in advance and once its valued, you have to pay it in full but can appeal it later.

    Good luck



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 donalf


    Thanks a mil Alkers… just so i understand this more.. lets say revenue value the van at the same price i pay for it  €63,000 euro (53,000gbp) …then it would work out something like this:

     €63,000 +€6,700 (10% of purchase price + transport costs ) =  €69,700

    + €14,000 ( Vat @ 23%) =  €83,700

    + 8,379 (13.3% VRT on 63,000)

    = €92,079 Total Cost of Van

    = 29,079 total tax

    wow, thats almost 50% total tax ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Yes that's correct and the thing you haven't even included for is that the revenue value will likely be substantially higher than you pay in the uk



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 donalf


    ok thanks a mil for that ( even tho your the bearer of bad news )



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Always wondered if you bought a UK motorhome and left it on UK plates and when unused stored in Northern Ireland at a motorhome/caravan storage facility.

    Then got it insured somehow. You should be able to drive it in the UK / Europe.

    The real question is if your primary residence is in ROI can you drive it on a holiday in Ireland and also would insurance cover any incident?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    It was the case, years ago when I worked in customs clearance, that an Irish citizen cannot drive a foreign registered vehicle in Ireland. As far as I know its still the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I think you get 10 days grace to register it.

    People drive English plate for ages (especially near the border), but the issue comes when you try to legitimise it down the line and you have to produce the paperwork to make your case. OK for a banger car but not an asset you intend to keep for years.

    Further to the first post, the VRT valuation will be at least the original price plus the calculated 50% because it will be valued assuming all of those costs have been paid - so it's VRT on the value assuming the VRT has already been paid. Nice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 donalf


    Thanks Shoog,

    Do you mean that the total cost would be higher as per my updated calculation below ?

    €63,000 +€6,700 (10% of purchase price + transport costs ) =  €69,700

    + €14,000 ( Vat @ 23%) =  €83,700

    + 11,132 (13.3% VRT on €83,700)

    = €94,832 Total Cost of Van



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Shoog


    You can assume that the VRT will be based on the €94k, ie 13.3% of €94k



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