Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Er, 33% don't. I wonder did they do numeracy tests, too, and how that would compare to Irish people's results... 🙄

And when someone says "where's the xenophobia" and then proceeds to come out with xenophobic comments - "as a nation, that's how they are", etc. - then yes, point proven. That which was to be demonstrated. QED.

So Ukraine wants to evacuate that area, what's that got to do with Ireland?

Exactly they are just welfare shopping, economic migrants at that stage. And if they are economic migrants no free room and board should be available.

I think he's actually serious too!

Government has put 3 billion out of this year's budget to pay the costs for an estimated 100k Ukrainians next year. That's e30k a head per annum. They are paying hotels e135 per head per night so thats e50k per head per annum for housing costs alone. 3 billion ain't gonna cut it methinks. Maybe the magic money tree will pay for it- if not paddy taxpayer will have to pony up.

My concerns about the adverse impact on my children’s education are entirely unrelated to your pension ‘Jack’. I can assure you of that. My eldest daughter is in a class where 40% of the children do not speak English at home. We have since been informed that her class will be further ‘augmented’ with more non-English speaking Ukrainian children next month.

There is limited English language support in the school. Several Irish parents have already removed their children; more plan to go private in the coming years. Why? Because the teaching resources are being expended on basic language acquisition. This influx is materially impacting the caliber of education on offer in our local school. I too will go private to ensure that my kids’ education is not compromised. Luckily, I have the financial resources to somewhat shield my family from this errant policy. Others are not so fortunate.

I’m not dependent on anybody to pay my pension either ‘Jack’; you’re not in any way unique in that regard. However, I do resent people like ‘MaryAnne’ advocating for policies that are directly impacting me, whilst she herself remains entirely unaffected.

Oh and ‘Jack’ you should be thankful, that my wife and I are raising three intelligent, productive young minds who are the future of this society. I’ve no doubt they’ll shake their heads at much of the nonsense propagated on this thread by myopic, belligerent idiots, regardless of their age, level of economic activity, or lack thereof.

They can only stay for a maximum of three years under this directive. If we get beyond that you'd expect people to contribute to society a lot more. My own feeling is that very many will return home, some even in the next year but some will definitely stay. Even in that scenario the massive rebuilding post-war may persuade those too to return back.

Most young people indeed can and the tide is turning thankfully….when you are becoming a second class citizens in your own country and opportunities and wellbeing is compromised to suit new arrivals…. The tide is turning I can assure you :)

That’s ok so. Will only cost us €10bn+ for 3 years. Then they will all leave after 3 years and we start saving €bn’s.

I think you are very naive to think the majority will return to one of, if not the poorest country in Europe before the current war began. What condition will it be in when the war finishes.

The housing minister has already said an additional 35,000 houses will be needed to be built to accommodate them. Why would he say that if this is all only temporary. How much do you think it’s going to cost to build 35,000 houses? Rough estimate off the top of head, maybe €10bn. And this on top of all their paid accommodation in the meantime. This madness needs to stop.

Well, @maninasia - cat got your tongue? Radio silence.

Fair enough re the e25. I see the e135 is the 'benchmark' rate. I cannot see many hotels in Dublin providing bed n board of 3 meals daily for e135 and even less for e25. I wonder how many deals are above the benchmark? Anyone know?

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/07/22/government-invites-tenders-for-supply-of-hotel-rooms-for-ukrainians-as-army-looks-to-purchase-more-tents/

I told you already I posted the calculations earlier in reply to your rubbish maths post.

@TaurenDruid

Go look for it yourself. Basically it was 5,600 individuals working divided by 43,000 total.

Given there are more than 50k Ukranians here now 13% is a generous estimate.

Didn't you say previously you were an economic migrant yourself having spent a large bulk of your working life in another country?

Now your back and it's Gimme, Gimme, Gimme. 😂

Your kids will be fine, I imagine they will grow up with the perspective of how fortunate they are especially compared to literal refugees.

I also imagine they will learn to just nod and smile politely when their father goes off on one of his bitter rancid rants.

As an economic migrant did you travel purely to get all the freebies? If not I can't see how the two situations are comparable to boggles 🤷‍♂️

Looking for a decent education for your children as a taxpayer is hardly an attitude of 'gimme, gimme, gimme'?

paying huge amounts of tax to the exchequer

So you keep saying, but yet have offered no proof. 😕

I’m in my 30s Boggles. I have many decades ahead of me

You mean you hope you do, remember all of us are only one piece of bad luck away from disaster.

Anyway it seems to me you don't have to worry about paying anyone's pension, considering you spent the majority of your professional life so far not paying tax here and have now returned with 3 children, your tab is very much still ongoing.

But again that's a very crass way of looking at it, wouldn't you agree?