Boy A in the Ana Kriegel case moved to adult prison

Why would kids in the school care? Why would families in the community feel they need to act some sort of proxy revenge? She was bullied at school, the community didn’t help her at all

Her classmates are heading off to college. No doubt having #thoughtsandprayers on their social media for every cause in the world

The poor kid suffered in and out of school.school didn't protect her .my son attends the school.on open day the head master stood there brazen.told all the parents the school was a non bullying school.yes every one knows the family.some family members were attacked.buy over all the community didn't blame the family's. They say one boy was quiter than the other .still evil fuckers.thats why I always ask my son about any bullying going on inside or out of school.this case makes your more aware of the bullying aspect than before .

They don't act to support a bullied child because to do so would lead to an open acknowledgement of their negligence in allowing the problem to get as bad as it did. It's ar§e covering in its finest glory and like everything else, to pursue a formal complaint is so convoluted and difficult that parents who are at their wits end trying to support and protect a vulnerable child just don't have the time to emotional resources to pursue it. The fastest and safest option is to get their kids out of there, and the old school can just wipe its hands if the problem.

Keep living in your little dark fantasy if you like...

Maybe a fantasy in your mind… facts, grim facts back in reality, they murdered, tortured and raped her.

Boo hoo. So follow up. Do you mean to tell me no teacher noticed when groups of children stood en masse and left the table when Ana tried to join them? Were they deaf when the name-calling and sniggering occurred? Is a teacher not considered a reliable witness? It's bullsh1t to suggestt that teachers can't see what's under their noses. And the idea that you should treat a bully victim with doubt first and foremost is akin to suggesting that you treat a kid coming to you with allegations of sexual abuse the same way.

Kids who bully grow into adults who bully in the workplace, n organisations and in their families. The damage they do as youngsters can result in a lifetime of poor self esteem, anxiety, depression, ptsd.

Ana's bullying and lack of appropriate response from the school marked her out to these disturbed boys as someone of no value, that no one would give a fuk about and fair game for sexual assault, violence and murder. Her isolation and loneliness made her so desperate for a friend that she followed Boy B in the naive hope that someone was interested in her and promised the vague hope of acceptance. The bullying made her an obvious and easy target.

If schools have not learned from this horrific crime , worse, if they don't even recognise they need to learn something from it, it only point to how little real concern about the effects of unchecked bullying on their watch.

So now people are arguing that there is collective responsibility of her school bullies for making her vulnerable prey, as well as diagnosing her murderers? I am wondering who will be blamed next.

She was different to the other children so she had problems adapting. It happens to many people. You either adapt or learn to deal with it. It is not the world’s responsibility to keep one person sane and happy.

Murders like this are rare but they happen, and this will happen again at some stage. There is no magic formula to avoid this.

It was the same when this was in the courts. A clutch of posters hand waving away the murder, making a litany of excuses to minimize the case/defend the boys (called children for extra sympathy), saying the parents can't be blamed for how their spawn (sorry children) turned out and of course claiming everyone would protect their child if he was a rapist/murderer.

That mentality from those posters does give a good indicator of how these rapists and killers were raised. It was always someone else to blame not little angle boy a or boy b or the parents responsible.

I didn’t blame the girl. I just find it ridiculous that the blame for her vulnerability is now placed on a whole group of people. School mates, teachers, all who are now being blamed for having made her fair game.

There is absolutely no merit in assigning blame and hoping for societal change because it won’t happen, and it also won’t stop this from happening again.

And yes. If you are different you learn to deal with it or you adapt. She was obviously going through the whole painful process (therapy) because she had a lot of issues, so I am not sure why pointing this out is seen as victim blaming. The unfortunate thing is that she never got to see the upside of it because two people decided to abuse and kill her.

I thought the killers were simply being referred to as children because the victim (same age) was referred to as such.

I think we might be misunderstanding each other in parts, which is generally my fault. And I am not trying to be controversial but I just see this in a differently light to you.

I don’t think that the girl was at fault for what happened to her. But you need to admit that reports on the bullying and her own behaviour are so vague that you shouldn’t draw conclusions. As I said earlier there is no merit in assigning blame just because it makes everyone feel better.

Mate, calm down ffs, he died recently , end off alright, now chill out and go for a long walk or go for a pint in your local.

This is not a point scoring contest, yeah.

Is St Pat's Institution still in existence? IIRC, it was for offenders from the age of 18 to 21. Then they were moved into the adult population.