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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    ... meanwhile the Irish Greens latest revolutionary idea is ... to lower the VAT rate on bicycles. (I claim conflict of interest given that Eamon Ryan is a former bicycle salesman).




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Drag feet on LNG, But Planning laws need to change when it's effecting solar. Thought big business were bad trying to lobby for stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ps200306


    "Thought big business were bad trying to lobby for stuff."

    Renewables are big business, but newspapers print their press releases verbatim as "news". The news page of Wind Energy Ireland -- the mouthpiece for Big Wind -- is regularly just transcribed. Journalism nowadays is a starter job for kids out of college. They wouldn't know investigative journalism if it bit them. But they know how to use Google Search.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hmm, that piece is almost an infomercial. There is really not a whole lot in there on how planning is causing the alleged problem, just a very vague reference to other countries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Here is what the "lizard people" have planned for us.

    (TheadsbyIrish) Have You Any Idea How Your Carbon Footprint 👣 And Your Carbon Wallet Are Really Going To Work In This Dystopian World The WEF Have Planned ?

    Let me introduce you to Barbara Baarsma. Barbara is the CEO of Rabo Carbon Bank. Yes, you read that right. Not Rabo Bank but Rabo Carbon Bank. In this 53 second video interview below she is advocating for a "Personal Carbon Wallet". That may not seem like a big deal but when you hear what she has to say you should be concerned, very concerned in fact


    I’ve transcribed the interview as it is in Dutch. It contains critical information. If you prefer to watch the video with subtitles by all means please do so.

    “Let’s ensure that every household or every citizen of the Netherlands receives a certain amount of carbon emission rights. This way we can ensure that we do not emit more than our yearly limit. Your emission rights will be stored in a carbon wallet. So if I wanted to fly, I would buy some carbon emission rights from someone who can’t afford to fly. For example this way this poor person can earn some extra money.

    Or if someone lives in a small house, he can sell his emission rights to someone who lives in a big house, this way poor people can benefit from the green economy”


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They'd probably need an EU derogation for that, which we would be unlikely to get, and it's more of an exclusive tax benefit for urban areas. We already have the bike to work scheme. The Greens should spend more of their time pushing better public transport services nationally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I dunno between killer heat. Thunderstorms, Freezing temperatures. Wildfires. When will we get to use the bike. 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Love this thread.

    People were told before the last election what would happen if greens got in.

    Nonsensical policy's like bringing turf in from other country's while banned usage of our own

    Energy getting more expensive, electricity gas diesel petrol etc

    So I'd love to ask Eamon has his policy's been a success?

    Or what's the end game there trying to achieve here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The end game is literally summed up similar to that south park episode:

    Ban everything fossil based and build lots and lots of windmills

    ???

    Carbon Free Ireland!


    They don't care about how much it costs, they don't care whether it actually works or not.

    We are gambling our nation's energy supply on nothing but hope at this point:

    • Hope that offshore wind will have exponentially better capacity factor than onshore has proven to date
    • Hope that battery storage will be able to eventually meet shortfall in generation in the order of hundreds of gigawatt hours (current BESS projects are only in the low hundreds of megawatt hours)
    • Hope that we'll be able to meet the significant demand increase coming down the line from electrification of transport and heating
    • Hope that alongside all of the above, we'll have gigawatts more unused generation capacity to produce hydrogen from renewable energy sources.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Insert the <Greens, Sinn Fein, EU> in place of the scorpion.

    A scorpion was walking along the bank of the river, wondering how to get to the other side.

    Suddenly he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him on his back across the river.

    The fox said, “No. If I do that, you’ll sting me and I’ll drown.”

    The scorpion assured him, “If I did that, we’d both drown.”

    So the fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back and the

    fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him.

    As the poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said,

    “Why did you do that? Now you’ll drown too.”

    “I couldn’t help it,” said the scorpion. “It’s my nature.”

    The political calculation by the establishment in Ireland is that it is better to swim in a river polluted with EU gravy. The EU green new deal is implemented largely at the behest of the World Economic Forum and their ideas of a forth industrial revolution. The Irish establishment has never liked Sinn Fein and never misses an opportunity to kick them. Since FG & FF figured they have to go with the EU, they made the calculation the Greens would be the ideal whipping boys for policies they must implement in order to get the EU money on behalf of the establishment. This is why you see Irish media, universities, state institutions and industries that benefit from the subsidies all aligned. Even the farmers are playing the subsidy game, any outspoken talk is simply a negotiating position.

    Except, the pursuit of the more EU integration towards a superstate over the past decade is out of step with a good section of the general public, for instance those negative interest rates benefit the vulture funds and out compete local potential buyers, the pursuit of the carbon policies is costing the squeezed middle, who are turning to Sinn Fein not because they believe in national socialism, they turn there because the establishment no longer represents their interests.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh i'm looking forward to Greece and Spain for example saying no to reductions in their own gas usage. And suggest to the Germans like the Germans suggested to them live within their means. Seems it's fine for Germany to ask everyone else to cut the cloth and they don't have to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Yields wouldn’t be great in Australia and they’ll get worse now beacause water that was used for irrigation has been over used.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That's an argument against climate change though. That's an issue in regards to overpopulation and what the country can support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    The whole green hydrogen nonsense can be placed in the same category as powering the grid on unicorn farts. Anyone who thinks Ireland can waste water and energy on this is scheme is deluded or chasing subsidies. The delusions have no technological solutions, they know this deep down, the "hopium" schemes are a distraction, to achieve their "net zero" goals in the time lines they set, the only option left them is to purposely restrict the populations ability to consume, hence the push for carbon allowances. I don't believe they can succeed, the lack of affordable energy must have an economic effect that ultimately takes down the Irish establishment once significant numbers of people have had enough of the hardship and restrictions imposed by this ideology. We are not the only population impacted, this extends beyond the current Irish establishment who have tied their fate to that of the EU superstate project, the same issue will ultimately tear apart the EU as we know it.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I think 70% of the population live in and around urban areas. The bike to work scheme is only open to people who earn in the higher tax bracket, a lot of people cycling to work or using a bike for work would not be earning that much. Removing VAT from bicycle purchase would help a lot of people.

    The Greens are doing more for rural public transport than any other party has in recent years, like this initiative - https://www.nationaltransport.ie/25-increase-in-rural-bus-services-planned-under-ntas-connecting-ireland-proposals/

    The reason public transport is so bad is down to FF/FG ignoring it since the foundation of the state, but you lot still blame the Greens for everything. If they didn't have the tiny bit of power they have in this government, public transport would be even more stagnant, they are making some progress at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭spaceHopper



    So is mine, the thermostats control the valves too, the boiler will still fire up for a few seconds then shut down. I've the two heating zones off on the timer and kept the water on for half an hour from 5 am for hot water 5 days and 2 days for 40 minutes to get water well above 50C so there is no bacteria in the tank. Just knocked it back to 20 minutes to see if anybody notices.

    Checked the logs in the app, apart from hot water it's been off since 21st of April and hasn't been boosted this summer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Until you dump 1000s of extra people in these areas. And more coming. So will do little to anything. But I already wager stuff like this has been put on the back burner due to budgets changing freeing up 3bn that kind of thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    is it really that unfathomable to people to use less energy? surely that's going to have to be the norm in future one way or another as resources become more scarce?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Wait I thought more wind farms was the answer ? Are you now suggesting that it's use less energy all along. Thats the cat out the bag then. Maybe the Germans cut their own cloth first If they cant support their Energy needs then they need to use less ? Odd though with all the free wind energy they have.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ha ha ha ha - you crack me up.

    "11 August 2022: Water flowing into South Australia has hit a six-year high at 53 gigalitres a day, as a report reveals full storages and wet conditions across the Murray-Darling Basin.

    Key points:

    • Flows into South Australia are the highest in six years, at 53 gigalitres
    • Many storage catchments are reaching peak capacity
    • Department for Environment and Water says the river flow peak is expected in September

    The Murray-Darling Basin Authority's (MDBA) Murray River annual outlook, released yesterday, showed southern basin storages are at unusually high levels for this time of year, with the Hume Dam sitting at 95 per cent capacity.

    It comes as the Dartmouth Dam records 97 per cent capacity, the Menindee Lakes sits at 115 per cent capacity and Lake Victoria at 62 per cent.

    The MDBA said the storages have been bolstered by healthy flows entering the Murray River from the Murrumbidgee and Goulburn rivers and other Victorian tributaries.

    "The primary purpose of both the Dartmouth and Hume Dams is to store water to meet irrigation and other entitlements, so that's our focus," MDBA executive director of river management, Andrew Reynolds said.

    He said irrigators and environmental water entitlement holders were in a good position to receive full entitlements this season, and that the MDBA was set up to manage the risk of shortfalls." https://www.irrigationaustralia.com.au/Web/web/Latest-News/Articles/2022/murray-darling-basin-dams-and-catchments-nearly-full.aspx



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I know nothing about wind farms. But the way we consume energy and everything else is completely unsustainable in the long term, so surely we need to learn to live more modest lives sooner or later? And yes I know I'm a complete hypocrite with my child slave batteries and laptops and everything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Dr. Lars Schernikau points out that over the next 30 years, energy per capita use will increase ~20% with a population increase of ~25%. Which means total primary energy growth of 50%. Essentially all growth in Asia and Africa. This was from a presentation to the Irish Climate Science Forum earlier this year.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No TL;DW on this? It's not far off an hour long.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭howiya


    I don't think that's true. The bike to work website gives examples of savings made by people in both the standard and higher tax rate brackets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    are you not familiar with his video dumping style? it's f**king mental tbh how someone can have the time to post the way he does.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I have used the scheme myself both in Ireland and UK but thought it only kicked in on the higher taxes, maybe I'm wrong



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Absolutely hammering down with rain here in Dundrum. Quick someone blame climate change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    why would they? we haven't had extremes in Ireland yet but have you not seen what's going on in Europe with the droughts and fires and crop failures and record temperatures? It got to 47c in Northern Portugal. Apparently Ireland will be one of the least affected parts of the world when it comes to climate change in the coming years, but extreme weather in Europe and the rest of the world will affect us in other ways.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Yeah imagine droughts and fires. In places with untold millions of people. It's almost if it's the amount of people that's the issue not the climate. 🤔



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