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How much extra does adding the Chademo plug cost? Some people on here recon it's about €100 per plug. To me a €400 once off payment to bring in the 30% of leaf drivers (and don't forget the early tesla adapters) doesn't really scream "Wasteful" but each to their own

I'm happy to be fact checked, no apology needed. So you are saying the CCS/Chademo (HPC) box can charge a CCS and Chademo at the same time? That I didn't know, and is a bit of a waste.

If a unit can charge 2 cars it should have at least 4 plugs

Which comment was completely inaccurate?

The HPC can charge both CCS & CHAdeMO simultaneity.

Kilcullen can charge 3 cars simultaneously, as can most of the sites with a HPC & FCP. The issue I and most have is the HPC only has a single CCS plug on it. If it had 2x CCS and 1 CHAdeMO, it could still charge 2 cars at once, but crucially 2 cars could be CCS.

Probably worth reading my comment again with teh knowledge that the HPC can charge 2 cars at once.

The problem with your solution is if 2 leafs came along they could both be potentially waiting for the CCS car on the dual-side to finish, even if nobody is charging on the single-side. While at the same time one of the leaf's would be waiting for the other one while the single side would potentially be free to another CCS car to rock up and go

Strange... I still own a Leaf and the Chademo port works perfectly... Can you explain your comment in more detail?

I think the logic behind having 4 CHAdeMO plugs is that, in general, people don't consider other users. If there were units that cold support CCS only on one side, and CCS/CHAdeMO on the other side, then if a CCS car arrives and plugs in on the CCS/CHAdeMO side, there is no availability for a CHAdeMO user, even if the other side is not in use. If the site is busy, queue management can then become an issue.

Red Silurian pointed out an experience he had had where an owner chose a CCS/CHAdeMO point instead of a CCS only point.

Perhaps I am giving too much credit to ECars, but I would assume that their data shows the number of times CHAdeMO is unavailable despite not being in use and that it was decided that it made sense to have both connectors available at each charge point.

It's the same logic as putting both diesel and petrol at each point in a filling station. It would be cheaper to have a bank of diesel pumps and a bank of petrol pumps, but queue management becomes more problematic.

Sites should be either all CCS (like Ionity) or should have CCS & CHAdeMO available at each charge point.

So we should always keep 1 side of a 150kW unit clear in the off chance a Leaf will arrive to pull 50-60kW from it, as opposed to adding another CCS plug in the highly likely event that there'll be more than 2 CCS cars there needing a charge...

Strange logic, but each to their own.

If we don't then we have the same problem you've been complaining about, except it's for Chademo cars instead of CCS cars...

For nostalgia maybe but not for profit, because that's a dead format, unlike Chademo

Are you reading my comments properly or just acting the eejit?

Yes, so better to favour the cars that currently account for 25% of the HPC/FCP usage as opposed to favouring the cars that account for 75% of their usage.....

I think you're missing the point. Betamax is a dead format. No one makes betamax format videos anymore. Therefore you would not expect a major chain to offer repairs or sell new models in betamax.

Chademo is also a dead format, no one sells chademo format cars anymore. There are a few legacy leafs but these are not new models and the new models from nissan will be ccs. As happened to type 1 in europe and type 3c in france, and as happened to earlier charging formats (like the long plane charger from the EV1, Ranger EV and initial Rav4 EV), these are dead. If you have a type 1 EV it will still work fine but dont expect to find any tethered type 1 chargers in the wild.

To put it simply, the more chademo plugs you put, apart from the initial cost of adding chademo plugs, there's the possibility you'll block off a CCS car which is more profitable for the network owner as due to battery size they generally take on more energy in a shorter space of time (and thus more revenue). In 10 years time or even 5 years time, how many chademo cars do you think will be a) on the road still and b) needing fast charging.

5 years is a long time. 5 years ago I bought our Ioniq and could only choose between a leaf30, a Zoe22, (or a Tesla, which were north of 100k then and there were no service centers or Superchargers here).

Just to fact check you there, the leaf and outlander PHEV both use Chademo and both are still manufactured and sold

And what about the problem of Chademo cars queuing while a dedicated CCS spot is available? Or is that not a problem for you?

An outdated legacy charging standard that is still available on brand new cars? That's a bit of a strange statement

A second chademo would not be utterly wasted, chademo drivers think the same as CCS drivers, charge wherever possible regardless of price

The fact that others queuing isn't a problem as long as you don't have to is a bit narrow minded. EV drivers should be working together to promote the take-up of EVs, not attacking each other because their cars use different charging standards. Views like yours are a serious problem